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Thanks Ken, I will refine my proposal and put more design, break it to pieces as i wade through orion and how it fits to our PaaS (megam). Will post updates on this thread as we progress.


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Thanks ken for the road map info. Good to hear cloud foundry's integration.

Intent to use  Docker: Is it  to provide shell access by isolating every
user's workspace in a container.

Cloud Foundry:
Can you provide details on what is intended to be supported ?  eg: Git
push(for builds) to Cloudfoundry ?



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> Thanks for the link and doc, I'll start reading over it.  We are also in
> the process of adding basic CloudFoundry API support in for our R5.0
> release.
>
> This means working on an app inside Orion and pushing it to a CloudFoundry
> API compatible PaaS provider.
>
> Not for 5.0 but for likely 6.0 we are also adding support for shell-like
> access through Docker.io to run commands against your workspace
>
> Something like http://wiki.eclipse.org/Orion/Terminal_Administration_Guide
>
> Just so you know what our existing roadmap is looking like.
>
> Ken Walker
> Lead of the Orion Project at Eclipse and within IBM | Tools for the Web, On
> the Web
> https://orionhub.org | http://wiki.eclipse.org/Orion |
> https://hub.jazz.net
> @kwalker | @orionhub
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> Here is a proposal we plan on working. We would be glad to hear views from
> the development community.
>
> Here is the online google doc link for the proposal.
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1I6e-sE5nW-aLKaGoN0w7j0qfpvgYXLXEtxe4w3RhFLQ/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Today our PaaS stands up "Orion IDE" in 5-10 mins on any cloud. We want to
> extend it further.
>
> Proposal ?Code to Cloud (Eclipse and Orion IDE)?
>
>
>
> Problem : What does it take for an app to move to cloud by leveraging PaaS
> ultra quick with no cloud vendor lock in. The cloud can even be your own
> using 2-3 servers. How can we improve app agility by bringing it closer to
> production like environment.
>
>
>
> We would like to propose an Open source PaaS(Public/On premise) that we are
> working on. Megam is an open source cloud automation software built on open
> standards and provides PaaS for Java, Ruby, node.js, Play(Scala), Akka
> (Scala) on any cloud. The cloud can be your own data center.
>
>
>
> 1. Compiles from  Eclipse IDE to PaaS built on Open source.
> We propose a way in which the current Eclipse IDE fat client leverages a
> PaaS using an API.
>
>
>
> Developer just works on code in their Eclipse IDE. Registers with Megam (
> https://www.megam.co).  The Megam API stands up an ?app on the cloud? of
> choice as registered with Megam. Subsequently as code gets built, developer
> gets a choice to push the code to git. Git triggers updates to the ?app on
> cloud?. Developer receives an url to play with the web app. The stuff a
> developer can do are run automated builds on the ?app on cloud?, start,
> stop.
>
>
>
> 2. Now moving on to Orion. As the future moves to thin clients (chrome
> books) Orion IDE will become dominantly used by developer. Orion has all
> the functionality for editing code. After code edit is done, the code
> stored in Github/Git can directly be deployed with a single click to
> Megam. Again the stuff as talked before on the assumptions that a developer
> is onboarded in Megam applies.  This approach is the open source equivalent
> of  (Cloud9ide c9.io). c9 which connects to heroku, openshift paas and
> claims to have 250,000 users. This model embedded with a customizable Open
> source PaaS (Megam) can get better ROI for enterprise.
>
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Docker:  Yes, the ability to run standard commands in isolation against
your workspace.  Check out http://runnable.com as an example of a site
leveraging Docker for learning languages.  We still have security issues
we'd like to iron out with this approach.

CloudFoundry:  The ability to 'push' directly to a PaaS provider similar to
the shell command 'cf' or 'gcf' but through the UI.  Doing automated deploy
based on Git commits is not on the Orion side.  Although if the PasS
provider supports it we have full Git support to work with it.  See
http://planetorion.org/news/2013/07/orion-and-google-app-engine-push-to-deploy/
  as an example.

Ken Walker
Lead of the Orion Project at Eclipse and within IBM | Tools for the Web, On
the Web
https://orionhub.org | http://wiki.eclipse.org/Orion | https://hub.jazz.net
@kwalker | @orionhub




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Thanks ken for the road map info. Good to hear cloud foundry's integration.

Intent to use ?Docker: Is it ?to provide shell access by isolating every
user's workspace in a container.

Cloud Foundry:
Can you provide details on what is intended to be supported ? ?eg: Git push
(for builds) to Cloudfoundry ?



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  Thanks for the link and doc, I'll start reading over it. ?We are also in
  the process of adding basic CloudFoundry API support in for our R5.0
  release.

  This means working on an app inside Orion and pushing it to a
  CloudFoundry
  API compatible PaaS provider.

  Not for 5.0 but for likely 6.0 we are also adding support for shell-like
  access through Docker.io to run commands against your workspace

  Something like
  http://wiki.eclipse.org/Orion/Terminal_Administration_Guide

  Just so you know what our existing roadmap is looking like.

  Ken Walker
  Lead of the Orion Project at Eclipse and within IBM | Tools for the Web,
  On
  the Web
  https://orionhub.org | http://wiki.eclipse.org/Orion |
  https://hub.jazz.net
  @kwalker | @orionhub




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  Dear All,

  Here is a proposal we plan on working. We would be glad to hear views
  from
  the development community.

  Here is the online google doc link for the proposal.
  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1I6e-sE5nW-aLKaGoN0w7j0qfpvgYXLXEtxe4w3RhFLQ/edit?usp=sharing


  Today our PaaS stands up "Orion IDE" in 5-10 mins on any cloud. We want
  to
  extend it further.

  Proposal ?Code to Cloud (Eclipse and Orion IDE)?



  Problem : What does it take for an app to move to cloud by leveraging
  PaaS
  ultra quick with no cloud vendor lock in. The cloud can even be your own
  using 2-3 servers. How can we improve app agility by bringing it closer
  to
  production like environment.



  We would like to propose an Open source PaaS(Public/On premise) that we
  are
  working on. Megam is an open source cloud automation software built on
  open
  standards and provides PaaS for Java, Ruby, node.js, Play(Scala), Akka
  (Scala) on any cloud. The cloud can be your own data center.



  1. Compiles from ?Eclipse IDE to PaaS built on Open source.
  We propose a way in which the current Eclipse IDE fat client leverages a
  PaaS using an API.



  Developer just works on code in their Eclipse IDE. Registers with Megam (
  https://www.megam.co). ?The Megam API stands up an ?app on the cloud? of
  choice as registered with Megam. Subsequently as code gets built,
  developer
  gets a choice to push the code to git. Git triggers updates to the ?app
  on
  cloud?. Developer receives an url to play with the web app. The stuff a
  developer can do are run automated builds on the ?app on cloud?, start,
  stop.



  2. Now moving on to Orion. As the future moves to thin clients (chrome
  books) Orion IDE will become dominantly used by developer. Orion has all
  the functionality for editing code. After code edit is done, the code
  stored in Github/Git can directly be deployed with a single click to
  Megam. Again the stuff as talked before on the assumptions that a
  developer
  is onboarded in Megam applies. ?This approach is the open source
  equivalent
  of ?(Cloud9ide c9.io). c9 which connects to heroku, openshift paas and
  claims to have 250,000 users. This model embedded with a customizable
  Open
  source PaaS (Megam) can get better ROI for enterprise.











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