Re: [orion-dev] New Git Repository page

[John Arthorne <John_Arthorne@xxxxxxxxxx>]

The mutually exclusive thing may be a non-issue.
The best example I can think of is PDE editors where different tabs might
have very different presentations of the same information. You can edit
in either place and they will be synchronized when you switch tabs. This
would look odd in a single scrollable document. I might be reaching a bit
here because the kinds of things we are looking at using it for (preferences,
configuration) don't have that characteristic.

John

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There is also a middle ground between 1 and 2 that I've
seen used a lot on the apple site (for example, if you are buying a MacBook
and trying to configure it.)
The sections are collapsible, so you can navigate through a massive pile
of sections or you can collapse them. For example:

http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC968LL/A?select=select&product=MC968LL%2FA

Last year, they used an "outline on the left, expandible/collapsible
sections on the right" mode. Thought it was an interesting analogy
to "Preferences."
But checking the site today, it seems the "outline" is now "section
links" on the top, which are less useful, because as soon as you use
one of them, the links scroll out of view.

I could imagine adopting (1) all/most of the time and then see where it
doesn't work. If there were performance problems generating content that
the user might not want, then a pane could stay collapsed by default until
the user selected it.

I'm not sure I understand the advantage of mutual exclusiveness that you
are talking about. We could decide to put the same information in multiple
sections regardless of what UI is used, couldn't we?

John
Arthorne ---01/16/2012 12:27:15 PM---We have two quite different navigation
metaphors here. 1) is an outline metaphor where I have a con

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We have two quite different navigation metaphors here. 1) is an outline
metaphor where I have a contiguous large document and the pane helps me
jump around. 2) is a tab folder metaphor where I conceptually have a pile
of documents and clicking a tab brings that one to the front. I think we
need to avoid using the same presentation style for both cases since they
are conceptually quite different. We will probably have uses for both of
these metaphors but they need to be visually distinct. The presentation
given by Anton definitely looks like 2). We wouldn't change the background
colour of the selected tab if the user could scroll to another section
and cause the tabs and document to no longer match. Having said all that
I don't know what I would prefer for the repository page. I think I would
opt to keep it as a single page for awhile and see how that feels (as it
is now). I kind of agree that splitting it up into multiple pages adds
back some of the extra clicks we were trying to get away from with this
new layout. 

Another random benefit of 2) is it works in cases where the categories
are not mutually exclusive. For example if I had information that I wanted
to have appear in multiple tabs, or a meta-tab like "Recent"
or "Search" that shows content from multiple sections.

John

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My two cents on this specific case:

I favor (2) for the repo page for the same reasons Szymon mentions. Also,
I think that someone who favors (2) probably wants the outliner collapsed
by default. (I do).

However I could see that in some contexts (pref page?) a variant of (1),
or at least the outliner defaulting to being on, would be helpful, for
a couple reasons.

- When the sections on the page are very heterogenous (such as preferences)
the user task is probably related to the selected state of the outliner.
For example, I want to go modify the plugins list. If I last was looking
at the "plugins" list on the pref page, then when I go back to
the pref page, I probably want the plugin info to show first. (Especially
if I navigated away from the page and then used history to get back.)

- for performance. If it's expensive to generate the information about
a section that the user might never visit.

For the general case, I like (2) because I think of this as just another
"outliner" and of course the editor outliner works this way.

susan

Szymon
Brandys ---01/16/2012 11:47:56 AM---The sidebar would facilitate navigation
on the page and I plan to add it. The question is what shou

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The sidebar would facilitate navigation on the page and I plan to add it.

The question is what should happen with the page content when you click
on the sidebar. I can see two options: 
1) Clicked section is shown and others are hidden 
2) You see all sections all the time and you are just scrolled to the clicked
section 

Anton seems to vote for 1) and I prefer 2). The new repo page is not a
big page really, so there is no need to hide sections and I like to see
everything at once. Otherwise I would again have to make extra "click,
click" to see what the repo state is. 

Moreover the landing repo page does not show everything, but just the most
recent data. When you want to see the full list of tags or branches you
click on "See all" links. 
But when you open repo page showing the full tags list, there are only
two sections, so hiding one of them does not make sense to me.

Going to te sidebar itself, I think it should be hidden by default and
just open on demand when people want to quickly jump between section. 

I wonder what others think... 
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Szymon 



From: Anton McConville <Anton.McConville@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Hi Szymon,

I like the approach ... but have a request for consideration of a slight
variation on it ... this is just for discussion ... to see what you and
others think of it - see the attached screen-shot.

The idea is on a per repository basis, we access the various subcategories
of repo data from the sidebar. To me it organizes the data a little bit
more cleanly and accessibly. Others might like to see it all on one screen.
This seems to me to be a place for your other work item for presenting
the configuration data.

Anton

(See attached file: repository.png)

Szymon
Brandys ---01/16/2012 10:47:25 AM---You can see the new repo page using
[yourserver]/git/git-repository.html# address.

From:	Szymon Brandys <Szymon.Brandys@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Date:	01/16/2012 10:47 AM
Subject:	[orion-dev] New Git Repository page

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You can see the new repo page using [yourserver]/git/git-repository.html#
address. 
This page is going to be the default repo page and you will be able to
open it by clicking "Repositories" link in the header soon.
The old page will be available under [yourserver]/git/git-clones.html#
at least till the end of the 0.4 release. 

You may start using the new page and feedback is welcome. Let me know if
you see any issues either via this list or Bugzilla. 
The only missing feature comapring to the old page are repository preferences,
but this will be added soon. 

Thanks 
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Szymon 



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