Re: [ohf-dev] problems launching stem.ui

On Jun 18, 2007, at 4:33 AM, Matthew Davis wrote:

Terrell,

I think I know of at least a few dependency issues you're referring to and
yes we do care. Please file a bug in Bugzilla with these issues and we'll
try to get them resolved.

https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=OHF

Thanks,
-Matt

Matthew Davis
IBM Almaden Research Center
San Jose, CA
p. 408-927-1029 (t/l 457-1029)
e. mattadav@xxxxxxxxxx

ohf-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 06/15/2007 11:29:54 AM:

Dan,

Actually, he's not the first, and there have always been problems with

SWT

on the Mac. As a result, I have to agree with Sun's opposition to SWT.

I'm

working with OHF on a 3 GB MacBook Pro, and do not approve of the way
Eclipse manages resources.

I'm not concerned with STEM, but I have been working to port the core of

OHF

to Java EE (no OSGi), built using NetBeans 5.5.1 and 6.0m9. As a side

note,

there are some packaging / dependency hassles with regard to OHF that I
would like to see addressed at some point (if anyone cares).

Vincent, you might consider porting the STEM UI to Swing if you want to

see

it run well on the Mac OS.

--

Terrell Deppe
Chief Architect
Dairyland Healthcare Solutions

From: Daniel Ford <daford@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:17:49 +0200
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Subject: Re: [ohf-dev] problems launching stem.ui

Vincent,
this is great. You're the first one to run on a Mac. Hopefully,
your work will help us release a Mac version shortly.

Dan

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Dan,

thx for the feedback. I'm migrating the project recently to a PowerMac

to

see how STEM performes on more performative hardware. I do assume

however

that there is a problem with the swt.carbon integration with STEM. I

will

open up the bug-report after confirming my speculations and give more
specific information.

Vincent

On Jun 13, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Daniel Ford wrote:

Vincent,
could you be more specific about what "does not respond
properly"
means? A bug report in the Eclipse bugzilla
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/ would also be most appreciated.

Yes, it forks quite a few threads, this is controlled by the

Eclipse

Jobs
API The threads are performing I/O to retrieve the Lat/Long data

for

the
countries in the model. The data is stored independently for

each

country
and retrieved in parallel. This is expected. You'll notice in

the

Map
display that countries are added to the display one-at-a-time as
their I/O
completes, with smaller countries appearing before larger ones.

This

occurs once per country as their Lat/long data is cached.

Typically, on Windows, virtual memory for most simulations

requires

less
than a gigabyte. The largest built-in scenario of the entire

world

(ZZZ)
does require more than a gigabyte. Also, the machine you run on
should
have 2 gigabytes of RAM to run STEM and function effectively as a
development environment. The "large" memory requirements come

from

the
level of detail represented in the model (thousands of nodes and

tens

of)
thousands of labels and edges) and the extensive Lat/Long data
required to
draw resonably accurate maps. We've made one attempt at reducing

the

Lat/Long data, but I think we can do even more.

Dan

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launching
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Hi again,

after getting the simulation actually up and running I come to

the

impression, that the development version seems not to run fairly
stable
under MacOsX. While I had little problems getting the standalone

app

running under WinXP the sim does not respond properly under

MacOsX. I

can
start the sim normaly but after doing so I have problems

accessing it

during simulation runtime. I can see in the "Activity Monitor"

that

the
process forks of many threads (~20) and uses a lot of virt.

Memory

(~1.5GB). I do not know if this is typical and would like some
feedback if
this is typical and how I can change this (I know about the

-XmxNNNM

option
but not more).

thx

V

P.S.:

I think I will check out the sim on a PowerMac to see if

performance

is the
key.

On Jun 13, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Vincent David wrote:

Hi,,

On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:15 AM, Daniel Ford wrote:

Vincent,
I'm a bit handicaped helping you today as I'm
traveling
(France) and
I generally don't have access to a Mac. However, did

you

try
opening)
stem.product and then going to the "configuration"

page

of the
editor and
then clicking on "Add Required Plugins"?

I was not aware of this option yet. Nothing happens when
clicking on
the button. However, the swt-plugins I checked out formerly

are

listed here and he appears to point properly at them.

Looking

at the
"Manifest.mf" of "org.eclipse.swt.carbon.macosx" I found
following
error (marked in **):.

Manifest-Version: 1.0.
Fragment-Host: org.eclipse.swt;

bundle-version="[3.0.0,4.0.0)"

Bundle-Name: %fragmentName.
Bundle-Vendor: %providerName
Bundle-SymbolicName: org.eclipse.swt.carbon.macosx;
singleton:=true
Bundle-Version: 3.3.0.qualifier..
Bundle-ManifestVersion: 2
Bundle-Localization: fragment
Export-Package:
**The following needs to be false instead of true**
org.eclipse.swt.internal.carbon; x-internal:=true,
org.eclipse.swt.internal.cocoa; x-internal:=true,,
org.eclipse.swt.internal.opengl.carbon; x-internal:=true
Eclipse-PlatformFilter: (& (osgi.ws=carbon)

(osgi.os=macosx) (|

(osgi.arch=x86)(osgi.arch=ppc)) )
Bundle-RequiredExecutionEnvironment:

CDC-1.0/Foundation-1.0,

J2SE-1.3

After patching I was acutally able of running the spanish

flu

example
in the simulation ui. I do not know why this was necesssary

and

what
I was actually doing... I'd appreciate further insight if
possible.
After further analysis I must revert my hypothesis regarding
patching. I.
guess it was the  "Add Required Plugins" recommonded by Dan

thx

Vincent

Dan

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Hi John,

thanks for your help. I solved the SWT-Proplem a step
further
by importing:

org.eclipse.swt
org.eclipse.swt.carbon.macosx

running the examples in:

org.eclipse.swt.examples

worked fine, so I'm confident reagrding this bundle.
However, I
still
become errors when trying to run "stem.product" of

the

"..stem.ui"
package.
I understand that there's something wrong with
the .classvariable of SWT
but I can't quite figure it out yet. Any help
appreciated.
Error logs
attached.

On Jun 12, 2007, at 10:48 PM, John Thomas wrote:

Vincent,

Thanks for figuring it out. It looks like you

are

running on MacOS
which is a platform that we have no experience
with.
Once you have it running , any additional
instruction,
that you can
append here will be appreciated and I will

update

the
installation
instructions in the Wiki Or you could update

the

Wiki,
yourself if
you
like.

Thanks again.
John

On 6/12/07, Vincent David

<vincent@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

On Jun 12, 2007, at 5:44 PM, Vincent

David

wrote:
Hello,

after configuring everything as far as
necessary to
get the
update.xml of
the ..internal.data package running, I

ran

into
problems
executing.
"stem.product" of the ..stem.ui package.

I

set
options as
instructed.

helping myself:

It appears that the swt-bundle is

missing.

Checking
out now. I:
would like to
recommend to mention this in the
documentation. It
probably
comes
'naturally' if you're into Eclipse.

thx

Vincent

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org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseStarter.run

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org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseStarter.run

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Method)
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