[mylyn-dev] FW: [cross-project-issues-dev] Europa Fall Maintenance still

["Mik Kersten" <beatmik@xxxxxxx>]

Fyi.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mik Kersten [mailto:beatmik@xxxxxxx] 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:57 AM
To: 'Cross project issues'
Subject: RE: [cross-project-issues-dev] Europa Fall Maintenance still in progress?

Thanks Markus.  Please post when the updated EPP packages are available.

Details: we still hope that the Mylyn features don't need to be changed, but we need to test the updated packaging once they are available.  The issue here is that with the JEE packaging, for some workspace/machine/vm configurations Mylyn will occasionally dump warnings to the Error Log on startup if none of its UI gets loaded.  We have had numerous reports of this with the JEE packagning but still don't have any indication of any bad behavior that would result.  However, as of the Europa Fall Update there has been considerable confusion with users associating the PermGen problem with the Mylyn warnings and we have seen many logs with both entries side by side, so want to do more thorough testing with the new packagings. 

Mik

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cross-
> project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Markus Knauer
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 5:05 AM
> To: Cross project issues
> Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Europa Fall Maintenance still
> in progress?
> 
> EPP: Packages based on Platform 3.3.1.1 and the (old!) Europa Update
> Site are
> already on my local hard disk and I will upload them today to the EPP
> download page. Then we can decide until Monday, if we push them to the
> main
> Eclipse download page, or not.
> 
> AFAIK, there was no clear decision on how to proceed with the Europa
> Update
> Site. In my opinion, these two (Europa Update Site and EPP packages)
> should
> contain the same content, which means I am updating the packages if and
> only
> if the Europa Update Site will be updated to a Europa
> Fall-Maintenance-Maintenance version. We all should keep in mind, that
> the
> fixes in the Eclipse Platform addressed real show-stoppers, release
> critical
> bugs, and the decision for this bug-fix release was done by the PMC.
> 
> First of all, we must decide if we change the complete Europa Update
> Site
> content or not, then we can think about a possible schedule for new EPP
> packages.
> 
> At the end of this email I would like to draw your attention to an
> interesting
> debate in the EPP newsgroup about our policies:
> http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.technology.packaging/msg0
> 0100.html
> It would be very nice to get more feedback from the community in this
> important discussion.
> 
> Markus
> 
> On Friday 26 October 2007 22:21, Mik Kersten wrote:
> > Is there any a schedule for the EPP bundling yet?
> >
> >
> >
> > Platform has updated 3.3.1.1.  Mylyn is in the process of evaluating
> > whether the 3.3.1.1 fix addresses some problems that were attributed
> to
> > Mylyn.  We have a bug where Mylyn warnings are dumped to the Error
> Log, and
> > within a couple of hours will figure out whether we want to push that
> fix
> > into the upcoming EPP update (e.g. bug 188524
> > <https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=188524> ).
> >
> >
> >
> > Mik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Mik
> > Kersten
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:30 AM
> > To: 'eclipse.org-planning-council'
> > Subject: RE: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Europa Fall Maintenance
> still
> > in progress?
> >
> >
> >
> > Mylyn is not currently planning on updating our Europa Fall Update
> > features. However, just in case it would be good to know what the
> 3.3.1.1
> > release and EPP bundling schedule is, e.g. by adding a line to:
> >
> >
> >
> >   http://wiki.eclipse.org/Europa#Coordinated_Maintenance
> >
> >
> >
> > Mik
> >
> >
> >
> > From: eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> > Oberhuber, Martin
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:11 AM
> > To: eclipse.org-planning-council
> > Subject: RE: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Europa Fall Maintenance
> still
> > in progress?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hmm....
> >
> >
> >
> > thanks for the explanation, Bjorn.
> >
> >
> >
> > Wouldn't it be a good idea to decide about at least potentially
> promoting
> > or not BEFORE we all silently update our features?
> >
> > Because if we decide in the end to not promote anything in the end,
> quite
> > some work will have been in vain...
> >
> >
> >
> > I, personally, think it's a good idea to re-spin at least together
> with the
> > Platform's re-spin such that we have
> >
> > a full-blown New Europa Fall Maintenance in the end.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm also OK with re-spinning Maintenance more often, even though this
> makes
> > the build non-reproducable
> >
> > (what would "the maintenance release" then be after all... bug
> reports and
> > the like would need to include
> >
> > a date at which the build was taken).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > --
> > Martin Oberhuber
> > Wind River Systems, Inc.
> > Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
> > http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> > Bjorn Freeman-Benson
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:54 PM
> > To: eclipse.org-planning-council
> > Subject: Re: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Europa Fall Maintenance
> still
> > in progress?
> >
> > I guess I should add: this is the same that we did at the beginning
> of
> > July: the mechanism to re-spin the build was used, but in the end we
> > decided not to promote it to the download site. We may choose to do
> the
> > same, or not, this time.
> >
> > Oberhuber, Martin wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > there have been discussions about re-spinning
> > Europa Fall Maintenance -- potentially with
> > the Re-spin of Eclipse 3.3.1.1 that's ongoing.
> >
> > I wanted to also be on the train, and updated
> > the features-dsdp-tm.xml with some patches
> > we've made in the meantime.
> >
> > When I synchronized, I noticed that 10 other
> > projects also seem to have updated their features.
> >
> > Do we have some silent agreement that Europa
> > Maintenance is being re-spun periodically? Or
> > is this a one-time special case?
> > I'm OK with either, I was just surprised since
> > we had that discussion beginning of July, and
> > decided at that time to not do it...
> >
> > What does the Community think? Or did I miss
> > any decision that's been made?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > --
> > Martin Oberhuber
> > Wind River Systems, Inc.
> > Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
> > http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
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> 
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> Markus Knauer
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