Re: [modeling-pmc] [feedback] Restructuring Modeling Sub-Projects

[Ed Willink <ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi

It's a mess, but moving forward is hard.

The double "EMF" is particularly bad. New users can get the impression that EMF died in 2009.

The MDT page is very embarrassing. I recently helped a user who had navigated from there to some very old downloads. Consequently if you select the OCL sub page, it now clearly declares itself obsolete.

See https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=510668

I think it would be very beneficial if ALL container project pages had a single "I am obsolete" announcement and a redirect to a list of PMI pages.

Once users get to the PMI it doesn't really matter what the hierarchy is.

For OCL and QVT I have responded with different partial moves. IMHO flattening so that Bugzilla changes is beneficial. Current it is confusing that EMF is at EMF->Core obfuscated by numerous CDO entries. Similarly TMF->Xtext is perverse. Moving from MDT->OCL, MMT->QVTo to OCL, QVTo, QVTd has been good.

Renaming the *.aggrcon is probably trivial. I just haven't got round to it.

Renaming the Eclipse project id, e.g. modeling.mdt.ocl is quite frightening. A lot to change and many references to fix up.

Moving downloads is cosmetic but it gives a discontinuity that makes long term views a mess. Just look at the numerous names for OCL in the P2 repos.

Moving newsgroups was a really BAD idea. All history got lost. But now we have FUDForum so who will notice another problem there?

Cleaning up more general web presence is hard, since many projects still use the PHP hierarchy that NIck Boldt setup. This has been fudged to be the same until multiple GIT repos, but we really need a coherent successor, probably exploiting the unifying capabilities of the PMI. Perhaps download page management and hiding is what I use most fromthe PHP hierarchy.

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Conclusion. Take positive action to phase out container project web presence. Flatten Bugzilla.

    Regards

        Ed Willink

On 23/02/2017 07:01, Sven Efftinge wrote:

Hi,

it would be nice to get rid of unnecessary umbrella projects and deep structure. 

But as Ed suggested, there are many links spread around that include segments for these umbrella projects. 

So if someone would take the effort to make it a smooth restructuring I am all for it, but if it causes problems for the community and/or is a huge effort, it is probably not worth it.

It's not a big issue in the area I'm working, at least.

Sven

2017-02-23 7:29 GMT+01:00 Ed Merks <ed.merks@xxxxxxxxx>:

Stephanie,

It's an interesting question.

Certainly the currently partial restructuring is confusing.   E.g., what's the difference between these two:

https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/modeling.emf
https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/modeling.emf.emf

But there are pages like this still:

  https://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/

Though I'm not sure how you get there from the modeling home page:

  https://www.eclipse.org/modeling/

I'm sure that projects using the EMFT forum will continue to want to use it.  Forum history is an important resource.

Restructuring the modeling project infrastructure further is likely significant work for everyone involved, and I fear it will be hard to get everyone involved who needs to be involved. 

I'm interested in the opinions of others, including not just other PMC leads but also project leads.

Cheers,
Ed

On 22.02.2017 20:55, Stephanie wrote:

Hi Modeling-PMC,

I would like some feedback as to whether or not restructuring the sub-projects under modeling is worth the time and effort.

Per the Modeling Top-level project restructuring review in 2012, several container projects (MDT, GMT, GMP, etc) were suppose to be eliminated. This transition has not yet been successful, and I would like to know if the PMC thinks it is beneficial to move all of sub-projects under the modeling umbrella or if we should just leave them as is.

Please give me your feedback as soon as possible, it is greatly appreciated!

Cheers,
Stephanie

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