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Re: [modeling-pmc] Modeling Project Overhaul

+1 for me. Then, we need as said in your email Ed, a nice Modelling home page that introduce its content to users.

 

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De : modeling-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:modeling-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] De la part de Cédric Brun
Envoyé : lundi 16 juillet 2012 14:16
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Objet : Re: [modeling-pmc] Modeling Project Overhaul

 

Hi Ed,

 +1 for removing the container projects, it gives the illusion (to us) that everything is properly organized  but it is not helping adopters in discovering Eclipse Modeling technologies. Furthermore it will remove quite a bunch of "three letters acronyms" projects from the web space and that can only be a good thing ;)


Cédric


Le 14/07/2012 07:02, Ed Merks a écrit :

As you may have noticed, I've been actively removing inactive committers from the various modeling projects.

My next task is to terminate inactive projects themselves.  The following projects are targets for immediate termination:

http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.pmf
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.tmf.tcs
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.mdt.uml2-tools
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.mdt.sbvr
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.mdt.imm
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.mdt.mst
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt.viatra2
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt.omcw
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt.mofscript
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt.gems
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt.am3
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.temporality
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.servus
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.search
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.mxf
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.mtf
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.jcrm
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emf.sdo
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.emfatic
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.emf4net
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.mint

I'm in discussion with Yves Yang about PMF's future.  I'm asking Epsilon to absorb the code base from Emfatic.  The UML2 Tools code base will be absorbed as a GMF Tooling sample.  Does anyone have concerns or comments about this list?  I.e., are there any projects I should add to or remove from this list?

I'd also like to rethink the need for "umbrella projects."  With the current development processes and infastructure at Eclipse, they no longer seem to serve a useful purpose.  In fact, maintaining an appropriate committer list for them is proving problematic.  In other words, I'm proposing to eliminate all of the following:

The primary point to consider is that consumers could not care less about hierarchical project structure.  In fact, it's likely they don't even care about project structure, period.  The consumers are interested in technologies and solutions that they can apply to their problem domain.  Overall, the current website is worse than useless in terms addressing consumer needs, though there are some notable project-specific exceptions.  Mostly the website is confusing, out-dated, and disorganized resulting in an overall bad impression of our excellent technologies.  Picking an example close to home, have a look at the EMF home page.  "News" is from 2009?  What does that say about the project?  In the end, that page more of a dirty laundry list than anything useful for consumers.  And it's not the only example of that...

I think we need to start with a fresh website to ensure that we arrive at something that's usable and easy to maintain so that we never again end up in the state we're in right now.  I'd like throw out what have now in CVS and start with a new basis that is maintained in git.  The focus will be on the "main" message on the landing page as well as mechanisms for helping consumers find relevant technologies and solutions that address their specific needs.  I'll also look at providing some exemplary project-specific home pages to set the stage.  Wayne's approach of automatically rendering a home page from project metadata is something I'll look at closely.   Wouldn't it be nice to have a common and consistent way to determine project-specific source repos, p2 repos, forums, bug tracking, and so on?   Of course I'll provide ample opportunity for others to review the progress and to get involved.

If any of you have have comments, criticisms, or concerns, I'm happy to hear about them.

Regards,
Ed






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