| Re: [modeling-pmc] Transition Plan for MDT OCLandEMF"QTV"Components? |
|
Hi Ed,
Anthony, Comments below. Anthony Hunter wrote:
As I said below, we trusted Christian as an Ex-IBM employee to uphold the high standards IBM brought to the project.
Since we have already revisited in yesterdays Modeling PMC call, I agree. As lead you have made the decision and if IBM wants committers on the OCL project we start out from ground zero. I expect however that the same criteria be used with EMF "QTV". Cheers... Anthony -- Anthony Hunter mailto:anthonyh@xxxxxxxxxx Software Development Manager: Eclipse Open Source Components IBM Rational Software: Aurora / GEF / GMF / Modeling Tools Phone: 613-270-4613
Anthony, I (and others) appreciate the fact that IBM played a large role in creating this component, but I have to agree (in part) with Ed Willink to the extent that, if you were concerned about the stability of OCL, you could/should have taken steps to become more involved a year ago. Ultimately, it is the responsibility of committers to uphold the interests of the communities that they support, and this includes the interests of IBM as an important vendor/consumer. In the absence of well-defined guidelines for this kind of situation, I, as MDT project lead, have chosen to select new committers for the OCL component based on their interest in active participation AND the merit of their contributions since the component has been at Eclipse (on the endorsement/recommendation of Christian Damus, former component lead). If you have continued concerns that this is not in the best interest of the communities served by the OCL component, I would suggest we revisit the authority of my decision within the Modeling PMC and/or consider an alternative approach to arriving at a suitable list of committers (e.g. a Termination/Continuation Review). Cheers, Kenn Hussey Program Manager, Modeling and Design Solutions Embarcadero Technologies, Inc. | www.embarcadero.com 82 Peter Street, Second Floor | Toronto, ON M5V 2G5 Kenn.Hussey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Office: 416-593-1585 x9296 Mobile: 613-301-9105 From: modeling-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:modeling-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anthony Hunter Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:00 PM To: PMC members mailing list Subject: RE: [modeling-pmc] Transition Plan for MDT OCLandEMF"QTV"Components? Hi Kenn
Folks, It has been brought to my attention that the information available at http://www.eclipse.org/projects/ip_log.php?projectid=modeling.mdt is not as accurate/correct as I had originally assumed, and that a more accurate source for information on contributions to the OCL component can be found in CVS at http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/www/modeling/mdt/eclipse-project-ip-log.csv?root=Eclipse_Website&view=markup. Apparently, Christian has been maintaining this record fastidiously, despite the recent introduction of the automated IP tracker. Based on this more accurate record, I’m afraid the list of new committers needs to be reduced slightly: Adolfo Sánchez-Barbudo Herrera (opencanarias.com) Laurent Goubet (obeo.fr) Edward Willink (willink.me.uk) Aleksandr Igdalov (borland.com) Sorry for any confusion. Cheers, Kenn Hussey Program Manager, Modeling and Design Solutions Embarcadero Technologies, Inc. | www.embarcadero.com 82 Peter Street, Second Floor | Toronto, ON M5V 2G5 Kenn.Hussey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Office: 416-593-1585 x9296 Mobile: 613-301-9105 From: mdt-ocl.dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mdt-ocl.dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kenn Hussey Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:54 PM To: MDT OCL mailing list; PMC members mailing list Cc: Ed Merks Subject: RE: [mdt-ocl.dev] RE: [modeling-pmc] Transition Plan for MDT OCLandEMF"QTV"Components? So, based on the discussion during the Modeling PMC call, we will appoint (only) the individuals from the proposed list who have made prior contributions to the OCL component. Based on the IP log at http://www.eclipse.org/projects/ip_log.php?projectid=modeling.mdt, this would include the following individuals: Adolfo Sánchez-Barbudo Herrera (opencanarias.com) Laurent Goubet (obeo.fr) Anthony Hunter (ca.ibm.com) Edward Willink (willink.me.uk) Aleksandr Igdalov (borland.com) Is anyone (who has been a contributor) missing from this list? This new team will have to decide amongst themselves who should be the new component lead… Once that has been done (and we’ve confirmed that the list is complete), I’ll forward the names to the EMO on behalf of the PMC. Cheers, Kenn Hussey Program Manager, Modeling and Design Solutions Embarcadero Technologies, Inc. | www.embarcadero.com 82 Peter Street, Second Floor | Toronto, ON M5V 2G5 Kenn.Hussey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Office: 416-593-1585 x9296 Mobile: 613-301-9105 From: mdt-ocl.dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mdt-ocl.dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kenn Hussey Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:30 AM To: PMC members mailing list Cc: MDT OCL mailing list; Ed Merks Subject: [mdt-ocl.dev] RE: [modeling-pmc] Transition Plan for MDT OCL andEMF"QTV"Components? Team, As lead of the MDT project, of which OCL is a component, I would like to stress Rich’s point that this is not a “land grab”. As far as I understand things, if we’re not going to hold a Termination Review, it’s up to the PMC (and me as this component’s representative to the PMC) to appoint a new set of committers. This set must be based on the principles of the Eclipse Development Process (e.g. history of contributions), and the new team must agree with the current scope of the OCL component. Should we wish to deviate from either of these, I would suggest a Termination Review as a more appropriate course of action. BTW, we will be discussing this at today’s Modeling PMC meeting, details of which can be found at http://wiki.eclipse.org/Modeling_PMC_Meeting,_2009-03-17. Cheers, Kenn Hussey Program Manager, Modeling and Design Solutions Embarcadero Technologies, Inc. | www.embarcadero.com 82 Peter Street, Second Floor | Toronto, ON M5V 2G5 Kenn.Hussey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Office: 416-593-1585 x9296 Mobile: 613-301-9105 From: modeling-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:modeling-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Gronback Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:11 AM To: PMC members mailing list Cc: Ed Merks Subject: Re: [modeling-pmc] Transition Plan for MDT OCL and EMF"QTV"Components? Yes, of course. This underscores my point of assigning new committers based on contribution; after all, it’s not a land grab ;) With that, I’d be interested to know the level of effort each expects they will be able to apply toward maintaining the component. I think we all agree Christian has set a pretty high bar on what’s expected. Thanks, Rich On 3/17/09 9:04 AM, "Adolfo Sánchez-Barbudo Herrera" <adolfosbh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Rich, I think you could have a quick idea if you have a look to the IP Log for the MDT project: http://www.eclipse.org/projects/ip_log.php?projectid=modeling.mdt Cheers, Adolfo. Richard Gronback escribió: I suggest that each proposed committer present a list of contributions they have made to MDT OCL, in order for each to be evaluated on the meritocratic basis upon which Eclipse projects operate. Thanks, Rich On 3/16/09 11:04 AM, "Freddy Allilaire" <freddy.allilaire@xxxxxxx> <mailto:freddy.allilaire@xxxxxxx> wrote: Hi Ed, Here is the proposed set of committers for MDT/OCL subproject lead : Freddy Allilaire committers : Anthony Hunter Bernd Kolb another SAP guy ;-) Laurent Goubet Bernd : we'll soon need the "SAP guy" name ;-) Regards, Freddy Ed Merks a écrit : Guys, I've asked the EMO about how to handle this and they are fine if we simply identify for each component a new set of committers. So I'll expect to see a proposed set of committers, including a lead, for each component *by the end of next week*, and then I'll go forward with that list. Cheers, Ed Anthony Hunter wrote: So Christian, are you willing to baby sit the components on your own time until a termination review? Or would you rather vote in a some committers on each of these components to take over next week, with the provision that things could change based on the to be scheduled termination review? Cheers... Anthony -- Anthony Hunter mailto:anthonyh@xxxxxxxxxx Software Development Manager: Eclipse Open Source Components IBM Rational Software: Aurora / GEF / GMF / Modeling Tools Phone: 613-270-4613 Inactive hide details for "Christian W. Damus" ---03/12/2009 10:16:29 AM---Hi, Kenn, Thanks for your prompt input. That has be"Christian W. Damus" ---03/12/2009 10:16:29 AM---Hi, Kenn, Thanks for your prompt input. That has been my understanding, too. From: "Christian W. Damus" <give.a.damus@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:give.a.damus@xxxxxxxxx> To: PMC members mailing list <modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 03/12/2009 10:16 AM Subject: [modeling-pmc] Re: [emf-dev] Re: [mdt-ocl.dev] Transition Plan for MDT OCL and EMF"QTV" Components? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi, Kenn, Thanks for your prompt input. That has been my understanding, too. Perhaps the name of this review mechanism is problematic: it should be called the "Please-help-Eclipse-to-decide-what-to-do-with-this-project Review." :-) I shall work up some slides, then, for termination reviews of these components and send them out for feed-back before asking the EMO to schedule the reviews. These slides will make it clear that there is, in my opinion, sufficient interest to re-boot these components with new committers under new leadership and that this should be the recommended course of action. As I understand it, the interested parties will have an opportunity to collaborate on the new road-map, committer team, and leadership for these components. Thanks! Christian On 12-Mar-09, at 8:50 AM, Kenn Hussey wrote: Christian, The process for ³vaulting of individuals into committer positions² IS the Termination Review, AFAIK. To be clear, a Termination Review does not automatically mean the project/component will be terminated/archived; it gives the community the chance to step up and potentially do a reboot. I don¹t think we can/should replace all of the committers (only one in this case) with new ones via the usual voting process unless we can justify the new committers based on meritocracyŠ Cheers, *Kenn Hussey Program Manager, Modeling and Design Solutions* *<image001.jpg>* <http://www.embarcadero.com/> *Embarcadero Technologies, Inc. | **www.embarcadero.com* <http://www.embarcadero.com/>* 82 Peter Street, Second Floor | Toronto, ON M5V 2G5*_ _*Kenn.Hussey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx* <mailto:Kenn.Hussey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>* Office: 416-593-1585 x9296 Mobile: 613-301-9105* *From:* _emf-dev-bounces@eclipse.org_ <mailto:emf-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> [_mailto:emf-dev-bounces@eclipse.org_] *On Behalf Of *Christian W.Damus* Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:40 AM* To:* PMC members mailing list* Cc:* MDT OCL mailing list; Eclipse Modelling Framework* Subject:* [emf-dev] Re: [mdt-ocl.dev] Transition Plan for MDT OCL and EMF"QTV" Components? Hi, Thanks to Anthony, Cédric, and Bernd for expressing willingness to commit to the continued vitality of these components! It's great to see such support. Just to be clear, again: as I understand it, Termination Review is the only process by which a project's committer team might be changed /en masse/ on events such as this, and the preferred outcome for all stakeholders is always that the project continue under new leadership with a new committer team. If there is another mechanism available, or if the Modeling PMC can direct a transition, please let me know! I prefer a smooth transition of these components into willing and capable hands. For example, if the PMC can approve the vaulting of individuals into committer positions that they would not, under normal circumstances, yet have earned, then that works for me. Kenn? Ed? What is your recommendation as PMC reps for the projects involved? Thanks, Christian On 11-Mar-09, at 5:30 PM, Christian W. Damus wrote: Hello, my PMC, As most of you already know, I have been unemployed for some time now. That interval is now coming to an end, to my great relief. However, in my new employment, the job description does not include time to spend on development of the Eclipse Modeling components on which I am currently a committer. Nor would I expect it to, as the work is quite removed from the MDD sphere. I would not be able to contribute as a committer on these components to the standard expected of the Eclipse community, and certainly not my own standard, on my own personal time. Therefore, I shall need to relinquish my committer rights on the MDT OCL component and the EMF Query, Transaction, and Validation components as of next week. The problem is, of course, that I am the only committer on these components. As I understand the Eclipse process, a Project that finds itself without any committers proceeds to Termination Review in the hope that the project can be re-staffed. Is the same true of Components? Can we assume that the rules of the new process (in which these components that are still Components would be Projects) should apply? Please advise. Thanks, Christian _______________________________________________ mdt-ocl.dev mailing list_ __mdt-ocl.dev@eclipse.org_ <mailto:mdt-ocl.dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>_ __https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/mdt-ocl.dev_ _______________________________________________ mdt-ocl.dev mailing list_ __mdt-ocl.dev@eclipse.org_ <mailto:mdt-ocl.dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>_ __https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/mdt-ocl.dev_ _______________________________________________ modeling-pmc mailing list modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/modeling-pmc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ modeling-pmc mailing list modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/modeling-pmc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ modeling-pmc mailing list modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/modeling-pmc _______________________________________________ modeling-pmc mailing list modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/modeling-pmc _______________________________________________ modeling-pmc mailing list modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/modeling-pmc _______________________________________________ modeling-pmc mailing list modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/modeling-pmc _______________________________________________ modeling-pmc mailing list modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/modeling-pmc _______________________________________________ modeling-pmc mailing list modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/modeling-pmc _______________________________________________ modeling-pmc mailing list modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/modeling-pmc |
