Re: [modeling-pmc] FW: Teneo

[Ed Merks <merks@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Rich,

I see you're surprised too.   From other note threads I've been forwarded,
I get the sense that there are retroactive IP changes in the works, but I'm
not sure that many of the board members are aware that such changes might
be in the works.  I would certainly be very annoyed to be told that
providing integration with Hibernate, the most popular and widely used
persistence architecture, is suddenly and retroactively taboo at Eclipse.
That really doesn't sound very open to me and in general, retroactively
disallowing something previously allowed is not a fair or reasonable way to
treat the community.  Martin's Teneo project has been providing value to
the community for years, and his helpfulness in the newsgroup is exemplary,
so even this approach of publicly singling out Teneo for renewed scrutiny
doesn't seem like the most diplomatic way to make inquiries.  It might have
been more diplomatic to have started by talking to Janet about the review
history first rather than by dumping a problem that needs to be solved on
the PMC.  I certainly expect Janet to respond with a yes, otherwise my
comments about her having reviewed and approved the project would have been
false; I don't make a habit of doing that.   So that yes answer will beg
the question,  how can something that's approved suddenly be a problem?


Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
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Is this ?prereq?ing? restriction something new?

Thanks,
Rich


On 4/12/07 10:31 PM, "Mike Milinkovich" <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

      Janet,

      Were you aware that Teneo was prereq?ing LGPL code?

      Mike Milinkovich
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      Mobile: +1.613.220.3223
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      From: Ed Merks [mailto:merks@xxxxxxxxxx]
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      Subject: Re: Teneo


      Mike,

      Teneo was fully reviewed by Janet in its present form, i.e., with
      these known dependencies.  It does not redistribute any GPL/LGPL
      code; the necessary jar must be downloaded separately by the client.
      Hibernate is a very popular technology, so providing integration for
      it has great value, despite the licensing concerns.

      http://www2.sys-con.com/java/readerschoice2004/frameliveupdate.cfm?BType=17


      Teneo also supports JPA and JDO.  Note that Shaun Smith and Stefan
      Eberle (two guys working EclipseLink) were recently added as
      committers to Teneo so that the overlap between their EMF persistence
      work for EclipseLink and Martin's EMF persistence work for Teneo can
      be reconciled into more cohesive overall solution.  There is overlap,
      but also lots of complementary things.  It's a great example of how
      well our community functions.  (Martin's support for clients on the
      newsgroup is remarkable!)

      Note that  extended capabilities such as those provided by Teneo are
      what's helping to make modeling so popular:

      http://www2.sys-con.com/java/readerschoice2004/frameliveupdate.cfm?BType=11

      http://www2.sys-con.com/java/readerschoice2004/frameliveupdate.cfm?BType=14



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        "Mike Milinkovich" <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx> 04/11/2007 03:03
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      Ed,

      I?m sending this to you as the project leader for EMFT.

      I stumbled across Teneo <http://www.eclipse.org/emft/projects/teneo/>
      this morning and would like to make you aware of an issue with it
      that needs to be resolved. Teneo?s dependence on Hibernate --- which
      is licensed under the LGPL --- is a problem, as the LGPL and EPL are
      incompatible. Is there not another open source persistence solution
      (Castor, EclipseLink) which can be used instead?

      Mike Milinkovich
      Executive Director
      Eclipse Foundation, Inc.
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