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Re: [m2e-dev] [m2e-users] moving m2e to java7 past kepler sr0

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:20:56AM +0200, Olivier NOUGUIER wrote:
To  be sure to understand, Igor when you say "user" you mean "developers"  !

user = developer that uses m2e
developer = developer that develops on or on somethng that depend on  m2e

...two very different needs.

In our project, the build target is still 1.6 but the build environnement
is 1.7 (to use NIO2 in my case in mojo).

yeah so you can't actually *run* this on a Java6 since the libraries are missing -right?

IMHO, the question is "is there any issue with third party plugins/mojo
with java 1.7?".

Yeah - we can't load if all of m2e requires java 1.7.... "we" being JBoss Tools that
would like to run where most of the users are.

+1 on life easier with TWR && NIO2.

/max


On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Igor Fedorenko <igor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

We obviously want to avoid "alienating significant part of m2e users",
and this is exactly why I asked the question instead of just making the
change.

I fully realize some users will not be able to upgrade their java
version and will have to stay on an older version of m2e. Problem is, we
don't have any data to judge what proportion of users will and will not
be able to upgrade because of java version.

Also, I honestly believe that my productivity and productivity of other
m2e developers and contributors is more important for m2e project than
costs savings "IT department of a large bank" might get by sticking to
an old java version.

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On 2013-05-30 2:59 PM, Tonny Madsen wrote:

Igor,

You write: "Does anyone have a good reasons to stay with java 6 past
this coming
June? ("my IT department is too retarded to allow java7" is probably not
a good reason)."

I don't know if you ever worked in the IT department of a large bank,
offshore consultancy company or a similar institution, but... these
organizations want to control the amount of support and maintenance by
locking down the used platforms. "Retarded"??? I'm pretty sure most IT
people would make the same choices given the available resources in the
IT departments!

Java 7 might make your life easier, but is that really reason enough to
alienate an insignificant part of your users?

/Tonny

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On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Igor Fedorenko <igor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:igor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    I'd like to propose moving m2e to require java7 execution environment
    after Kepler SR0 is out. I am getting really addicted to
    try-with-resources syntax [1], and with java6 past it's eol [2]
already,
    I see little/no reasons to stick with this version any longer.

    Does anyone have a good reasons to stay with java 6 past this coming
    June? ("my IT department is too retarded to allow java7" is probably
not
    a good reason).

    [1]
    http://docs.oracle.com/javase/**__tutorial/essential/**
exceptions/__tryResourceClose.**html<http://docs.oracle.com/javase/__tutorial/essential/exceptions/__tryResourceClose.html>
    <http://docs.oracle.com/**javase/tutorial/essential/**
exceptions/tryResourceClose.**html<http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/essential/exceptions/tryResourceClose.html>
>
    [2] http://www.oracle.com/__**technetwork/java/eol-135779.__**html<http://www.oracle.com/__technetwork/java/eol-135779.__html>
    <http://www.oracle.com/**technetwork/java/eol-135779.**html<http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html>
>

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