Re: [ice-dev] "Big Four modeling and simulation activities" not defined

[Les Gasser <gasserles@xxxxxxxxx>]

Jay thanks for the quick reply. We're working with/on tools and scientific workflows
for very large scale distributed social simulations (project at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications [NCSA] at Illinois) and so ICE caught my eye. I'm also
glad Eclipse has the Science tools effort worked up (and esp that Texlipse is a part
of it :)

I'll look at the new paper. Again, thanks.

- Les Gasser

On 10/24/17 2:18 PM, Billings, Jay Jay wrote:
> Les,
>
> Thanks for your email! I'm rather excited that someone read that old page. It isn't as bad as our official history page on the wiki, btw! ;-)
>
> Joking aside, that is an old page with some outdated text that, yes, needs some clean up. The "Big Four" is a term that I invented to describe the activities in the rest of the document, which was originally the project proposal. For a more thorough and accurate discussion, I would recommend our paper, which is under review right now, that discusses these four activities (and development) as part of a workflow model focused on modeling and simulation. You can find a pre-print of that paper here: https://arxiv.org/abs/1704.01398
>
> Thanks very much for reaching out and please do let me know if you have additional thoughts.
>
> Jay
>
> Jay Jay Billings
> Team Lead, Scientific Software Development
> Oak Ridge National Laboratory
> Twitter Handle: @jayjaybillings
>
> ________________________________________
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 3:01 PM
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> Subject: [ice-dev] "Big Four modeling and simulation activities" not defined
>
> This page:
>
> https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/science.ice
>
> references "the Big Four modeling and simulation activities" several
> times.  However there is no full definition or description on the page
> of what are these activities, or where they come from as seeming
> standard set of concerns (i.e. history and choice of those four
> activities whatever they are; other projects and efforts addressing
> "the Big Four" as such, and so on.).  Please at least list and define
> these 4 activities on the page.
>
> BTW Google searching shows no other pages or projects beyond Eclipse
> ICE that uses the term "Big Four modeling and simulation activities".
> If that is true, it would seem to be better to organize a project like
> ICE around a widely shared conception of what are the core tasks for
> modeling & simulation needing integrated support, rather than what
> looks like a term/set ("Big Four") that may be idiosyncratic to ICE.
>
> Best,
>
> - Les Gasser
>
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