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[hyades-dev] Minutes of TPTP Coordination Meeting November 2, 2004

TPTP Coordination Meeting Minutes November 2, 2004

1) Attendance
Attending:
Tyler Thessin, Intel
Sri Doddapaneni, Intel
Mike Norman, Scapa
Harm Sluiman, IBM
Melanie Woods, Scapa
Don Ebright, Compuware
Serge Lucio, IBM

Not Attending:
A Gian Franco Bonini, SAP
Jim Saliba, CA (traveling)
George Din, FOKUS
Ling Yao, Intel

2) Marketing & Communications
Marketing group raised a concern about gains due to awards for
Eclipse Test & Performance project being offset by the lack of
substantial awareness and publications in the industry. Melanie
asked if project leads could address this.  Project leads agreed
in principle to drive further efforts to promote TPTP (articles,
etc.).

MG proposes to submit TPTP Test Tools for the Jolt awards Testing 
Tools category.  Unfortunately, a Jolt award category is not 
provided that covers all aspects of TPTP.  Promotion achieve via 
submitting and possibly being recognized in the Testing Tools 
category may further the superficial perspective that TPTP is 
only for Testing.  Nonetheless, the group agreed that that we 
should pursue this award and look for other opportunities to 
promote other aspect of the project beyond testing capabilities.

A press release is planned for mid December to coincide with
Hyades 3.2 release. Ling is driving this. Tyler asked if any 
other member organization would like to provide quotes for 
this PR. If so, would we need a longer turn around time to 
develop the PR? Serge thinks IBM would want to contribute 
and a one week turn around would be sufficient (but, this has
not proven realistic historically, so Ling should plan for 
an earlier review cycle).  Target date for posting the PR is
Dec 17 to coincide with the targeted TPTP 3.2 release).

3) Operation of the current plan
Eclipse computing infrastructure (CVS and Bugzilla) did not 
migrate to Eclipse Foundation facilities as planned last
weekend. The updated plan is for migration to happen during 
Nov 12-14th. Project leads please take this into consideration
in your plans.

4) Technical forward plan
We are engaging independent companies SourceLab and 
SpikeSource regarding possible alignment on testing and
certifying open source software, especially related to 
attempting to drive adoption of TPTP for their efforts
in this space. Mike is proposing that TPTP claim 
certification within scope of TPTP and drive certification
solutions.  Prior feedback from the Board guided against 
this approach believing that certification should be 
provided by a new, separate top level project (but still 
depend on TPTP as the tool platform for such).  We'll 
need further discussions to resolve our position on 
whether to address certification within TPTP.

Harm confirmed that there is a minor problem with the query 
to pickup the Bugzilla entries for consideration by 
requirements group (for 3.2). It missed a few, causing 
discrepancy between the list by RG and the plans by committers. 
Harm has reconciled the lists and only one (#70764) item 
is identified as required for 3.2, but not yet confirmed 
in plan for the Committers.  He will drive the determination
 as to whether this item can be added to the plan.

Decision: Feature list for 3.2 is final.

Mike needs to clean-up and post the RG requirements 
spreadsheet in CVS asap.  Clean-up includes classifying all 
unclassified items, incorporate recent updates (e.g., from
Karla), etc.

Process needed to manage fixes made to sand-box stream and
integrating these to pointed releases. This led to a lot of 
discussion about development process, in particular about the
model of committing incremental development into the main
source stream and keeping them as internal interfaces so that
the entire platform build can happen without any errors. Tyler
felt this may not always be appropriate as there may be cases 
of substantial features that require committing all or nothing.
More discussion is needed on this and differed for a future 
meeting.

Harm provided another draft of the project matrix and committer
list.  The PMC will further review this offline and meet again 
on Thursday to review/discuss.

Next Planning Group meeting: Tuesday, 9th November 2004,
- 5pm CET / 4pm BST / 11am EST / 8am PST


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