RE: [gmt-dev] evolving GMT in a fully open process that allows others to

["Ghica van Emde Boas" <emdeboas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi,
I am trying to catch up here, so I start to reply to some older stuff...

> > In the GMT project - and the same would apply to the architectureware
> > project - we therefore need to put appropriate emphasis on the quality
of
> > the installation process, available documentation, and easy to follow
> > examples that enable users to learn to use the tools as intended.
For FUUT-je, you just need to unzip the package, and double click on the
startfuut.bat on Windows. Otherwise on Unix, you would have to make a
startup shell. I just do not know how to make these.

> > With respect to "getting going in 5 minutes" Fuutje is actually quite
good,
> > however it's a different story when it comes to implementing major
changes
> > to the tool model, i.e. when you want to work with a completely
different
> > meta model. This area needs significant work.
>
> ... and this is typically the main usage scenario, I guess.
>
I do not think that this is the main usage scenario at all. The current tool
model works quite well for me for some 5 years now - with some minor
modification now and then.
What may be needed more often in a layered MDSD world that we intend to have
for GMT, is the use of FUUT-je as a tool-factory: You model your (meta)
model in FUUT-je, generate and develop an application from it, and use the
result as your domain-generative development tool. I used this to develop an
HTML/PHP menu system, and earlier to generate complicated
lifecycle-state-on-many-levels code, EJB's from specific XML structures, a
database layer from truly odd Rose diagrams, etc.

Regards,
Ghica van Emde Boas
Bronstee.com Software & Services b.v.
e-mail: emdeboas@xxxxxxxxxxxx,
tel: +31 23 5474422,
or: +31 6 53368747 (mobile)
fax: +31 23 5473347


> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gmt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Markus Völter
> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 4:05 PM
> To: gmt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: Thomas Stahl
> Subject: Re: [gmt-dev] evolving GMT in a fully open process that allows
> others to join the effort
>
>
> > In the GMT project - and the same would apply to the architectureware
> > project - we therefore need to put appropriate emphasis on the
> quality of
> > the installation process, available documentation, and easy to follow
> > examples that enable users to learn to use the tools as intended.
>
> for architectureware, I have a download-unzip-run capable
> "blueprint" that works. It uses ant, and the generator. I just
> did not yet make it generally available.
>
> > With respect to "getting going in 5 minutes" Fuutje is actually quite
> good,
> > however it's a different story when it comes to implementing
> major changes
> > to the tool model, i.e. when you want to work with a completely
> different
> > meta model. This area needs significant work.
>
> ... and this is typically the main usage scenario, I guess.
>
> > Precisely because we all have day jobs, the only way to
> increase speed of
> > development is by providing a [documented] environment that
> allows further
> > developers to easily pick up open work items. In my experience the
> > production of essential documentation is the only way to speed up and to
> > scale up development. Many apparent chicken-and-egg problems are
> > self-inflicted and avoidable.
>
> Certainly true. However, I currently write so much :-), that,
> when doing open source contributions, I want to actually
> code. This will change sometime, maybe :-)
>
> Markus
>
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