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Re: [equinox-dev] [prov] install / uninstall / update (was Configuration Admin bug)
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It may be interesting to consider that
during the provisioning operation, we do (may) know enough context to describe
updates vs. uninstall/install. The problem we have now is that we
lose information between the Director/Engine and the simple configurator.
Not sure exactly how to retain the required information but seems
like we should be able to.
The other thought that popped into my
head relates to how the location of a bundle is defined. Right now
we use some munged version of the bundle's physical location or some such.
As has been pointed out, the actual value in the string is not important
to the system. Perhaps we ought to abstract the location value such
that, for example, all singleton bundles have a location that is just the
bundle symbolic name. Then, as the bundle is *updated* the location
still "makes sense". Well, it not clear how much sense
this thought makes but it may be interesting.
Jeff
Pascal Rapicault/Ottawa/IBM@IBMCA
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The bundle.getLocation() does not matter, but since
so many systems are
used around that it is also problematic to not having meaningful.
For clarification to the casual reader, simple configurator does not
explicitly have two lists. The lists of things to install and to uninstall
are actually derived by analysing what is in the system and what the system
should look like.
Now for the corner cases (in each case the bundles.txt described lists
all
the bundles):
Example 1:
In the system: Let's say that I have junit 3.8.1 and junit 4.1 installed
(boths are singleton)
case 1) In the bundles.txt: I have junit 5.0 - Do I update the two bundles
? Do I update the highest one or the lowest one, why?
case 2) In the bundles.txt I have junit 3.8.2 - Is it an update or a
donwgrade?
case 3) In the bundles.txt I have junit 3.8.4 and junit 4.0 - Which one
is
really an update?
Example 2:
In the system: Let's say that I have foo 1.0.0 (it is singleton)
case 1) In the bundles.txt I have foo 1.1 and foo 1.2 (these are no longer
singleton) - Which bundle do I pick to be an update of the one present?
Example 3:
In the system: Let's say that I have bar 1.0.0 and bar 2.0.0 (both are
non
singleton)
case 1) In the bundles.txt I have bar 1.5 (singleton). - Which one do you
update? Why?
The other problem with updates, is that given two systems starting from
the
same initial state, if they are submitted to different bundles.txt over
time to finally get to the same one. Even though the resulting systems
look
the same it is not clear that they will actually behave the same depending
on what the data file may contain.
Another one in that space is, someone starting fresh and someone applying
a
bundles.txt over a system may not end up with the same runtime behavior
(of
course bundles should all be written properly, etc.... but you know the
truth :-))
PaScaL
From: Thomas Watson <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: Equinox development mailing list
<equinox-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 12/07/2007 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [equinox-dev] Configuration Admin bug
I'm not sure I understand this ...
Simple configurator has two lists 1) a list of bundles it thinks need to
be
uninstalled 2) a list of bundles it thinks it need to be installed.
Right now the configurator uninstalls all the bundles in uninstallList
and
then installs all the bundles in installList, but couldn't something like
the following be used instead.
for (each bundle in uninstallList) {
if (another version of bundle exists in installList) {
update(bundle with installList bundle content)
remove installList bundle from installList
}
else
uninstall(bundle)
}
for (each bundle in installList) {
install(bundle)
}
Where this breaks down is if you want to have "meaningful" bundle
locations
(returned by Bundle.getLocation()) that somehow point to the actual
location on disk. When using Bundle.update() this location String remains
constant, just like the Bundle ID.
Tom
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In fact I don't know of any management agent capable of calling update
in
the way a user could do on the command line since the definition of update
support updating any bundle into any other...
In p2 we have explored solutions to this problem and were able to come
up
with a solution for the trivial cases (singleton bundles) however as soon
as more complex cases showed up it seemed like any guessing of what an
update would be looked completely random. Therefore we have decided not
to
support that.
From: Thomas Watson <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: Equinox development mailing list <equinox-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 12/07/2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [equinox-dev] Configuration Admin bug
Another issue here is how bundles are updated to new versions. The CM
implementation uses the BundleContext.getDataFile method to obtain a
location to persistently store its data. This data area is unique to the
Bundle ID (long value). When a bundle is updated (using Bundle.update
method) the updated content of the bundle uses the same ID and therefore
can obtain the same data file location as the previous version of the
bundle.
Some management agents (*cough* old Eclipse Update and p2) update bundles
by first uninstalling the old version and installing a new version. This
means the new version of the bundle will have a different location and
a
different Bundle ID. This has two implications on CM. First of all, it
will
cause the all persistent data from the old version of CM to be lost for
the
new version of CM. Second, since bundle locations change (locations are
used to bind CM configurations) the existing bindings will be reset for
bundles that are updated to new versions.
Tom
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Glad it's working now...
You're point about compatability of the store data is really interesting
(I
think so at least).
In terms of technical details as part of the graduation work we switched
from using regular files to the frameworks ReliableFile infrastructure.
This does change the layout on disk and so is not backwards compatible
with
the original File approach. As you mention this change will not work when
"updating" your bundle from the earlier approach. Once the component
graduates I would expect this storage format to be relatively stable.
In terms of a real long term solution I thinks it's inevitable that we're
going to run into "incompatible" bundle data in the CM bundle
and others
and in these cases we perhaps should look at using provisioning
infrastructure.
Deployment Admin had the notion of "Customizers" to handle these
sorts of
changes and this sort of thing is definitely in scope for p2.
-Simon
equinox-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 12/06/2007 04:27:40 PM:
>
> Oops, I made a mistake in the last run. I did not notice that there
were
two
> cm bundles loaded and I was continuing to bind to the other one.
>
> The new cm bundle provided by Thomas does not have the problem.
>
> But I did notice one thing. When I changes the bundle for cm to the
new
> bundle, the old configurations that were stored were no longer visible.
Is
> that the behaviour you would expect? If so, that is a bad thing. At
least
it
> is bad for us. We would need to ensure the configs get preserved across
> updates to cm. If cm is completely replaced by a different
implementation,
> then of course you cannot expect the configs to be preserved.
>
> Thanks!
> -Don
>
> On 12/6/07 2:28 PM, "Simon Kaegi" <Simon_Kaegi@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>
> > Don,
> >
> > Could you provide a more detailed test case.
> > The code specifically checks for a null BundleLocation so I suspect
you're
> > getting an NPE for another reason.
> >
> > The code has been significantly refactored so that the relevant
check I
> > think you're referring to is now in
> > org.eclipse.equinox.internl.cm.ConfigAdminImpl line 48.
> >
> > if (config.getBundleLocation() != null &&
> > !config.getBundleLocation().equals(bundle.getLocation()))
> >
> > Could you verify that this is still the NPE cause and if not
it would
be
> > great to know where it's coming from.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > -Simon
> >
> > equinox-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 12/06/2007 02:08:52
PM:
> >
> >>
> >> Yes, the problem still seems to be there in that version.
> >>
> >> -Don
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/6/07 1:05 PM, "Thomas Watson" <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> >
> >> This has already been fixed in the latest version of CM.
Can you
> >> try the latest build at
> >>
> >> http://download.eclipse.
> >> org/eclipse/equinox/drops/I20071204-1547/download.php?dropFile=org.
> >> eclipse.equinox.cm_1.0.0.v20071203.jar
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [image removed] "Laidlaw, Don" ---12/06/2007 11:32:36
AM---In org.
> >> eclipse.equinox.cm.internal.ConfigurationAdminFactory at
line 812.
> >>
> >> [image removed]
> >> From:[image removed]
> >> "Laidlaw, Don" <don.laidlaw@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> [image removed]
> >> To:[image removed]
> >> Equinox development mailing list <equinox-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> [image removed]
> >> Date:[image removed]
> >> 12/06/2007 11:32 AM
> >> [image removed]
> >> Subject:[image removed]
> >> [equinox-dev] Configuration Admin bug
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In org.eclipse.equinox.cm.internal.ConfigurationAdminFactory
at line
812.
> >>
> >> The line:
> >> if (!config.getBundleLocation().equals(bundle.getLocation()))
> >>
> >> The config.getBundleLocation() can sometimes return null.
This is
> >> especially true in a new factory configuration created by
an admin
> >> bundle with a null location. So in this case it will throw
NPE.
> >>
> >> The workaround is to always provide a location, but this
is not
> >> required by the spec, and in fact you may want to create
the
> >> configuration before the bundle is installed.
> >>
> >> Don Laidlaw | Sr. Research Engineer | Infor | office: 905-305-7307
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