| Re: [epp-dev] Mars M5 packages |
Hi Markus,
I created https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=459486 to handle to discussion around suppressing the OOmph startup dialog.
I will change my vote to +1 as you and others have mentioned - now is the time to test and discuss these additions, with time for changes, and fixes as needed.
The JavaEE package passes the basic smoke test.
Thanks - Chuck
Senior Architect, WebSphere Developer Tools, Eclipse WTP PMC Lead
IBM Software Lab - Research Triangle Park, NC
From: Markus Knauer <mknauer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Eclipse Packaging Project <epp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 02/06/2015 02:36 PM
Subject: Re: [epp-dev] Mars M5 packagesSent by: epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
Hi Chuck,
thank you for your feedback! It is valuable to get this feedback *now* and this is at the same time the reason why I pressed the button and pushed all these changes into M5.
In the first two cases, the Automated Error Reporting and the inclusion of Oomph, the teams behind are very responsive and extremely open to our suggestions. If it turns out that the Oomph dialog at the very first start of Eclipse is a bad idea, then I've been told that it can be switched of by a simple addition to the eclipse.ini - something that we could do if really required or wanted. On the other hand we shouldn't forget that the questions in this wizard are allowing to adjust the most-hated preferences in Eclipse... after all that's the reason for the existence of this wizard.
The third one, automatically find new updates and notify me, is about getting experience with this setting. To me it is not a final decision to have this setting enabled the way it is enabled now, and we (including webmasters) will come to a final conclusion after a few milestones when we've gained enough experience how it works and how it influences/stresses our infrastructure. But first of all I'd like to collect data in this field test. The risk is limited as there are not too many downloads of the milestone builds. And I hope Denis won't kill me until then.
Thanks,
Markus
On 6 February 2015 at 18:01, Chuck Bridgham <cbridgha@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
My impression after all these changes is not a good one.
I added my +1 vote to the Automated Error Reporting - I don't have an issue here - although it has exposed many spurious exceptions that were being thrown but ignored in the past.
I suppose the priority to fix these will skyrocket, as the first impression is bad right now. If the same issue has been reported... the dialog will still occur once per user.
I didn't vote +1 for OOmph inclusion, and I should have voted -1 - I was still evaluating, and determining if the tools made sense for the majority of users. I really like these tools, but I'm not convinced the entire set of plugins would be utilized by the majority of users.
In any case the welcome dialog is another issue. Epp packages should not see this welcome dialog, and needs to be turned off by default. Many other examples from features such as eGit, Mylyn etc.. had similar dialogs that we now suppress by default, and can be activated if users need it. We should not be opting in by default.
I was also under the impression that the " Automatically find new updates and notify me" was still being discussed with concerns over network traffic, and unintended updates
I feel I need to vote -1 at this time mainly on the OOmph inclusion. I'm happy to make changes for a respin.
Thanks - Chuck
Senior Architect, WebSphere Developer Tools, Eclipse WTP PMC Lead
IBM Software Lab - Research Triangle Park, NC
From: Markus Knauer <mknauer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: EPP Developer Mailing List <epp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 02/05/2015 06:05 PM
Subject: [epp-dev] Mars M5 packages
Sent by: epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
Hi package maintainers,
now the second test-request for today. The Mars M5 packages are ready for testing and include (among other changes) the following notable additions:
Bug 457180 - Add Automated Error Reporting to all EPP packages
Bug 455645 - Integrate Oomph into all EPP packages
Bug 421779 - "Automatically find new updates and notify me" should be enabled in EPP packages
Bug 332989 - Allow parts of a package to upgraded or removed (as a test for the RCP/RAP package only!)
The build and the packages can be found here:
https://hudson.eclipse.org/packaging/job/mars.epp-tycho-build/148/
The packages were build using the following p2 repositories
http://download.eclipse.org/releases/staging/ and
https://hudson.eclipse.org/packaging/job/mars.epp-tycho-build/148/artifact/org.eclipse.epp.packages/archive/repository/
Release is planned for tomorrow (Friday) at about 10am EST.
Thanks and regards,
Markus
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