Re: [epp-dev] Time to retire the UDC?

[Wayne Beaton <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

The hard part is sorting out what to do with the data. As I said, we
have thus far been unable to generate any real value from the data. This
partially due to the cost associated with careful dissemination of the
data in accordance with the privacy policy. Mostly, however, everybody
who has looked at the data has been able to only provide 'interesting'
bits of insight; but no actual value of any worth to any Eclipse
project, or organization. I cannot cite a single example of any change
in a project's priorities resulting from the gathered usage data.

Don't you get plug-in usage data from Maven Central?

FWIW, I believe it would be inappropriate for an Eclipse project to
gather usage data. The key questions are: where is the data stored and
who is responsible for it?

This isn't a done deal. Make your case.

Wayne

On 05/21/2011 12:31 AM, Igor Fedorenko wrote:
> m2e is (or should it be 'was' already?) planning to use UDC to collect
> information about Maven plugins actually used by our users. m2e version
> we release in June requires explicit support for each Maven plugin. This
> is a fundamental change from previous versions, which did not have such
> requirement. There are roughly 800 opensource maven plugins and without
> usage statistics it will much harder for us to efficiently prioritise
> m2e support work. It is unfortunate that this change is being proposed
> so close to Indigo release date, leaving us without a chance to
> implement an alternative solution, not to mention the effort we invested
> building m2e/udc integration.
>
> -- 
> Regards,
> Igor
>
> On 11-05-20 04:40 PM, Wayne Beaton wrote:
>> Hey folks.
>>
>> We've been running the UDC for a number of years now. Despite my own
>> efforts and the efforts of several individuals, companies, and
>> university researchers, we have not yet been able to make any really
>> valuable use out of the data. My sense is that the amount of effort that
>> we've been spending far outstrips the value of the data collected. And,
>> as the bug record indicates, we really need to spend more effort to just
>> maintain the status quo.
>>
>> Unfortunately, attracting additional committers to the project won't
>> solve the problem. Ultimately, it's the huge volume of data that the
>> main problem. Privacy concerns prevent us from making this data widely
>> available, and careful dissemination to individuals has proven
>> fruitless.
>>
>> Ian and I have discussed this and we feel that it is time to retire
>> the UDC.
>>
>> I am concerned about making changes to the composition of the packages
>> at this late date in our development cycle, but would like to recommend
>> that we do so immediately to ensure adequate time for testing. I will
>> plan to archive UDC following the Indigo release.
>>
>> Time is very short for discussion, but I am open to suggestions or
>> counterarguments.
>>
>> Thanks for your attention and support.
>>
>> Wayne
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