Re: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Request for re-spin on behalf of the

[Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx>]

+1 for finding a way to automate this so that we don’t have to decide between the burden on Markus and David and the burden on our users.

It would also be good to understand why we’re finding so many major quality problems so late. And as an adopter and as a user, I’m not happy we always decide to skimp on quality to make the schedule. This is why I never recommend people take the June release.

I also wonder with more frequent releases, we wouldn't hinge so much on this June release. That way we could cut content to save quality with the promise of the content landing with quality 3 months later.

Doug.

From: <eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Ian Bull <irbull@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: Eclipse Planning Council <eclipse.org-planning-council@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 6:06 PM
To: Mike Milinkovich <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Eclipse Planning Council <eclipse.org-planning-council@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Request for re-spin on behalf of the MPC project

A respin is not easy. It adds significant work (and stress) to Markus and David.  This bug does not seem severe enough to slip for, nor does it seem fair to ask David and Markus to give up their weekend to fix. 

Cheers,

Ian

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Mike Milinkovich <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Markus,

I completely understand your frustration. Every one of these means a bunch of work that falls on you and David's shoulders. After we get through this, we should discuss what we can do to alleviate that going forward.

But our users are important, and our user experience is important. Marketplace was once an experiment, but now it is a large part of how our users experience Eclipse. We did not make this request lightly.

On 18/06/2015 4:31 PM, Markus Knauer wrote:

What's the next project requesting a respin?

Sorry.

A (very) frustrated,

Markus

On 18 June 2015 at 22:26, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

+1 it's a great feature and especially if we're hinging on a lot of marketing for this

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Wayne Beaton <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Greetings Planning Council.

The MPC project has uncovered a significant bug. There is discussion below and more in the cited bug.

The TL;DR is that we are hanging a lot of press and potential for good will on the ability to drag and drop features from web pages and the Eclipse Marketplace site, so this really need to work. Further, this feature is important to the Marketplace ecosystem and will have a significant impact on perception of overall usability of Eclipse.

I hereby a request a respin of the simultaneous release on behalf of the Technology PMC.

Wayne

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Subject:	Request for re-spin
Date:	Thu, 18 Jun 2015 15:11:21 -0400
From:	Ian Skerrett <ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To:	david_williams@xxxxxxxxxx, Wayne Beaton <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Mike Milinkovich <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Carsten Reckord <reckord@xxxxxxxx>, Markus Knauer <mknauer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

David,

We have found a critical bug in Marketplace Client (MPC) that breaks the 
drag and drop feature of MPC. Carsten has fixed the bug and a patch is 
available. https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=470485

Unfortunately, the workarounds are not intuitive from a usability 
perspective and the drag and drop feature is important for MPC and the 
overall ecosystem. For instance, we plan to promote the 'early access' 
Java 9 support through a drag and drop feature.

For these reasons, I'd like to request a re-spin of Mars. Is this 
something I should post on cross-projects or is there another process I 
should use.

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