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Re: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Mars+1 Naming Issues
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Can't say I've heard a suggestion I like,
yet. Are we too "hung up" on the letter "N". The original
statement and intent, was to simply be roughly alphabetically. What
if we "restarted" (officially, from the beginning with community
input, or between ourselves) but consider words starting with "O"
or "P", as well?
I also thought, the reason we tended
towards names of people, planets, and ancient gods was that we were told
"common names" can not be trademarked. Has that changed? Wrong
in the first place? Or, is the "external attorney" judging on
a different criteria? These are not names *we* want to trademark, right?
Would it make a difference if we make "Eclipse" part of "official
name" (such as the "Eclipse Mars" release) ... and, don't
think anyone would say we could not abbreviate in URLs, etc. to the shorter
name of .../releases/mars (for example). [Mike, feel free to take
these legal questions, off-line, if appropriate. But, it would help if
we had guidance on "types of names" that were not subject to
being trademark ... unless there really is no such thing.]
I'm not in complete opposition to "numbers
only" ... but, do think that requires more thought.
So, unless someone says "all names
are taken", I suggest we, the planning council, try to come up with
list of 10 or so names starting with 'O' or 'P' and if any are decent,
to then ask for community involvement too. (We do not *have* to finish
before EclipseCon ... just nice to finish soon, since soon we start talking
about the Mars+1 release.)
Thanks,
From:
Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx>
To:
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private list <eclipse.org-planning-council@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date:
02/25/2015 01:56 PM
Subject:
Re: [eclipse.org-planning-council]
Mars+1 Naming Issues
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Actually, in that train of thought,
Eclipse NaN would accomplish the same thing a bit more elegantly. N! might
be interpreted as “N not” as well as “N factorial”.
From: Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx>
Reply-To: Eclipse Planning Council private list <eclipse.org-planning-council@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 1:48 PM
To: Eclipse Planning Council private list <eclipse.org-planning-council@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Mars+1 Naming Issues
That’s reasonable too, giving the ordinal
of the simrel, even if it starts at 12. It’s a pretty big number worth
celebrating.
I like what Wayne put out on Twitter,
N!. Would be a reasonable transition name signalling we’re having a hard
time picking a name.
Doug.
From: Ian Bull <irbull@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 1:32 PM
To: Eclipse Planning Council private list <eclipse.org-planning-council@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Mars+1 Naming Issues
I was thinking Eclipse 10, but unfortunately
'N' will be the 11th simultaneous release* (if we start counting from Callisto).
Eclipse 15 has a cool ring to it, but it will be 2016 by then (although
Eclipse did start in 2001, so maybe that's not too bad).
* Queue the spinal tap references.
Cheers,
Ian
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Chris
Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I agree with Doug here, but I think
that topic is orthogonal to the current problem of finding a name with
our current process.
We may chose to change things in 2016
and it's something to discuss at EclipseCon IMHO
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Doug
Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
I think the biggest problem is that
we keep trying to pick real names of things. Other projects, like Ubuntu,
use multiple words that are somewhat meaning-less. But those are really
just code words. The real versions are usually numbers, like Ubuntu 14.04.
Maybe, that’s better. Just call it Eclipse 15, or Eclipse 2015.
Doug.
From: "Christian W. Damus" <give.a.damus@xxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: Eclipse Planning Council private list <eclipse.org-planning-council@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 12:43 PM
To: Eclipse Planning Council private list <eclipse.org-planning-council@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Mars+1 Naming Issues
Maybe folks would like the taste of
New Eclipse?
(couldn't resist an 80s reference)
Christian
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Wayne
Beaton <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Not that I want to make this more complicated,
but how about just "N" ?
Wayne
On 25/02/15 12:03 PM, Chris Aniszczyk
wrote:
Hey esteemed planning council members,
We've hit an interesting roadblock with
Mars+1 naming:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=456732
"We have now completed trademarks
reviews for Neptune, Nova, and Neo and our external counsel has strongly
advised against using any of those three names. Newton remains a registered
trademark of Apple. None of the remaining names on that list are all that
appealing, nor did they get much support. Do we need to restart the process?"
Names eliminated:
Neo: 8%
Neptune: 38%
Newton: 11%
Nova: 25%
Names left:
Naboo: 8%
Narvi: 3%
Nash: 2%
Nano: 2%
Nibiru: 2%
Naiad: 1%
This is a first for the planning council
as we usually had one of our backups work.
Without making things more complicated,
my suggestion is that we do a lazy consensus poll potentially work down
the list based on votes or just pick a couple of favorite names from what's
left. If we go simply by votes, Naboo and Narvi are next on the list.
What do you think?
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