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Re: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Face to Face meeting
The workload on the foundation staff was discussed a bit (during the AC Side of the F2F meeting). This is certainly something we need to be aware of, but we should also better understand where the workload comes from. Three comments

  1. Not every project will be 'releasing' every 4 months. Some will ship SRs, while others may even ship their previous contributions.
  2. Are smaller Release Reviews easier? For example, if the delta between R1 and R2 was a small number of commits, all done by committers, with no update to external libs -- is that easier than a large number of commits, external contributions and updated third party dependencies? We currently define releases in terms of functionality, but that might not map to the complexity of a release review.
  3. Wayne mentioned that maybe we should reconsider how we approach this. Maybe each project needs to do a 'legal review' on an annual basis, but that's not directly tied to a release -- of course this idea would need to be flushed out, and if a project failed a legal review after it was released, then what? In a perfect world, each project would always be in a legally stable state, then a release should be easy. Orion would like to release every 2 weeks, but does it make sense for them to do a 'release review' this often?
The key is that we should not toss out an idea right now because of our current way of working. Change is possible. However, for any of this to happen, the PC as a whole isn't going to do it. Someone will need to step up and be the driving force (write a proposal). 

Cheers, and I hope everyone made it home safe!
Ian


On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx> wrote:
+1 for the great work on Java 8. It's letting us get out of the block with JavaFX with some speed :).

Sorry for missing the meeting since I was in flight. I just want to relay that moving to more frequent releases has been a godsend for us on CDT. I'm working on a feature and I don't think it'll be ready for June. But no sweat. I'll just get it in for September. Having to wait for next June would be a disservice to the community.

One thing to watch out for will be the workload on the Foundation staff. You should have seen the look on Sharon's face when I asked if it would be too much if all the projects released every four months :). We'll need to find the right balance.

Doug.

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Hi everyone, sorry for the delay in the meeting minutes. It was a rather busy week ;). There were only a few of us there, so nothing concrete was decided. The biggest discussion was related to rolling-releases and the need / desire for some projects to get their bits into their users hands much quicker. However, like everything, no action will be taken unless someone puts together a concrete proposal.

Thanks to everyone who attended, and for the great week. There was a really good 'vibe' this year at EclipseCon. Dani, you should be very proud of your team. IMHO, Java 8 and the support that Eclipse shipped provided drove a lot of that excitement!

Cheers,
Ian


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Ian Bull <irbull@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes, the 4+1 people who attended (Markus, Cedric, Wayne and myself + Tom Watson, and John once his plane landed) had a good discussion about releases, p2 bugs, builds, and maven. I took notes during the Planning Council and John took notes during the AC meeting. I'll publish the PC notes once I get through my talk tomorrow.

Cheers,
Ian


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 1:50 AM, Daniel Megert <daniel_megert@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Ian

Are there meeting minutes for those not being able to join?

Thanks,
Dani



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Date:        16.03.2014 20:20
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Hi everyone,

This is just a reminder for those of you in the bay area, we are having the Face to Face PC meeting today at the Hyatt at 2:00pm local time. The meeting will take place in the Bayside room, which is on the lobby level on the side closest to the bay ;-). (Near the fitness centre).

http://wiki.eclipse.org/Planning_Council/March_16_2014

See everyone in less than 2 hours.

Cheers,
Ian

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