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[eclipse.org-planning-council] Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Re: NAB on Ganymede

This page:

http://wiki.eclipse.org/Ganymede#Ganymede_Builds
*
The Ganymede Build <http://wiki.eclipse.org/Ganymede/Build> page is where you go to learn how to add your project to the Ganymede build.


*... links to

http://wiki.eclipse.org/Ganymede/Build

which includes this section, detailing both the syntax of the .sc file and what it should contain:

http://wiki.eclipse.org/Ganymede/Build#The_Projects.27_Roles

Perhaps we need to rewrite that page a little?

Nick

Shigeki Moride wrote:
Hi all
I talked with Doug and Martin. I forward this discussion to here.
So, if the Ganymede gate isn't closed now then I want to join to Ganymede train.
And I apologize this lazy boarding and my poor English skill.
Shigeki
Thu, 3 Jul 2008 05:21:16 -0700
"Gaff, Doug" <doug.gaff@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:doug.gaff@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:


    Thanks Martin. I forgot that the planning council list was closed.
    Shigeki, if you post to cross-projects, I’ll forward a copy to the
    planning council to expedite this.

    *From:* Oberhuber, Martin
    *Sent:* Thursday, July 03, 2008 8:13 AM
    *To:* Gaff, Doug; 'Shigeki Moride'
    *Subject:* RE: NAB

    Hi Shigeki,

    please post to the

    cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>

    mailing list as well as the

    eclipse.org-planning-council@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council@xxxxxxxxxxx>

    mailing list.

    I know that you are subscribed to cross-project, but I am not

    100% sure if you are also subscribed to planning-council.

    The planning council list is a "closed" one where you need

    to ask the EMO by means of an E-Mail to get subscribed --

    you cannot subscribe yourself there.

    Cheers,

    --

    *Martin Oberhuber*, Senior Member of Technical Staff, *Wind River*

    Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member

    http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm

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        *From:* Gaff, Doug
        *Sent:* Thursday, July 03, 2008 2:10 PM
        *To:* Shigeki Moride
        *Cc:* Oberhuber, Martin
        *Subject:* RE: NAB

        Can you post this to eclipse.org-planning-council today? You
        can subscribe here if you’re not already subscribed:

        https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/eclipse.org-planning-council

        I think it may be too late, but let’s see.

        *From:* moride.shigeki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        [mailto:moride.shigeki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Shigeki
        Moride
        *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:45 PM
        *To:* Gaff, Doug
        *Subject:* Re: NAB

        Doug

        Sorry, yesterday was a holiday.

        Firstly, eclipse.org-planning-council ML is not feeding for me.

        So, I think the reason of this fact.

        1) I couldn't understand the meaning of Ganymede Must Do #10.
        I understand that term as about Ganymede Signoff page on wiki.
        Is there any pointer to the issue of *.sc file?

        2) I seem Ganymede Build page is only described "automatic
        build". I couldn't find the necessity to making *.sc file to
        the project that have a builded packages.

        3) I feel relief at the passage of the release review.

        4) Generally, if that issue was announced on
        cross-project-issues-dev or other ML then it is too difficult
        to find it. Because that ML have too much traffic to read all
        for non-native English reader. I'm sorry about this but this
        is a fact. I need help to tracking that discussion. Please
        give me a head-up information.

        Shigeki

        Tue, 1 Jul 2008 06:44:58 -0700

        "Gaff, Doug" <doug.gaff@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:doug.gaff@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

            Hi Shigeki,

            Are you following the discussion on the
            eclipse.org-planning-council mailing list? Martin and I
            have advocated that you be added to the Ganymede release.
            But it’s really time for you to make the case on the list
            and explain why you didn’t understand the instructions.

            Doug

            *From:* Oberhuber, Martin
            *Sent:* Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:26 AM
            *To:* Gaff, Doug
            *Subject:* RE: NAB
            *Importance:* High

            Hi Doug,

            I think that Shigeki should have the final word on this.
            It doesn't seem

            right that we fight for his project, and he doesn't even
            care about sending

            a single e-mail to the cross-project list. I think he must
            have the final

            word of either

            (a) explaining why he didn't understand the instructions,
            and asking for

            his project to be picked up, or

            (b) withdrawing the request.

            After all it's his project and we're just mentoring it,
            right? My personal

            opinion (and that's for Doug S, Nick and Bjorn) is that
            while it seems

            absolutely obvious for us build+releng guys that creating
            a *.sc file is

            required for the Ganymatic, it's not that obvious for
            somebody just reading

            the "must do's". The original text, already cited by Nick, is:

                "Projects must have stated and demonstrated their
                intent to join Ganymede by the M4+0 date. Projects do
                so by adding themselves to the table/list above and to
                the Ganymede common build infrastructure. "
                (http://wiki.eclipse.org/Ganymede#Must_Do, #10)


So, Shigeki did add himself to the list, but what the heck would that

            ... and to the Ganymede build infrastructure" mean?

            I agree that SHigeki can't have been too keen about
            joining Ganymede

            but it might also be a cultural question.

            However, I think he should have the final word, and not you.

            Cheers,

            --

            *Martin Oberhuber*, Senior Member of Technical Staff,
            *Wind River*

            Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member

            http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm

        --

        Shigeki Moride

        moride.shigeki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:moride.shigeki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

        moride@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:moride@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

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Shigeki Moride
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