FWIW, I appreciate the slow service in the Nestor bar. It gives me a
fighting chance of waking up the next day. J
*From:*eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
*On Behalf Of *Campo, Christian
*Sent:* October-30-12 6:13 AM
*To:* Eclipsecon Program Committee list
*Subject:* Re: [eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee] ECE 2012
MyFeedback
Hi,
just my thoughts (others welcome)
* Nestor bar (I never had a problem to get a beer.. :-). Never took
longer than 5 minutes)
* OSGi Community event: was good and attracted a lot of shared
visitors I think (people that are interested in OSGi and Eclipse)
* the additional track also meant that sessions got smaller not sure
what would happen if we have one more track like a Java track. I
liked the Java track from last year a lot. Co-hosting with two other
events is probably a "little" more work but thats ok. I am more
worried that sessions "dry out" (not enough attendees) if there are
so many concurrent and competing talks.
* internal feedback: YES. I would love to have a database with
speakers and their feedback on past conferences. Maybe Ian and Chris
can supply some input so that we can start building it up.
* Hackethons are something I really like to do more. Chris Heilmann
said to me that maybe he should have done a HTM5 workshop. Maybe we
can bring him back with a B2G/HTML5 workshop next year. And we would
of course think who Eclipse Tooling or Eclipse OSGi backends could
be leveraged on B2G and other mobile devices.
christian
*Von: *Ralph Mueller <ralph.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ralph.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
*Antworten an: *Eclipsecon list
<eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
*Datum: *Dienstag, 30. Oktober 2012 10:29
*An: *Eclipsecon list
<eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
*Betreff: *Re: [eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee] ECE 2012
MyFeedback
Hi all -
thanks for the great feedback.
A couple of quick notes:
- Circus
As far as I'm concerned, we will have the circus again next year. We
also will improve the communication about the circus and the little
artistic workshops. And I will not forget to mention who was sponsoring
it next year :-(
- Band
I liked it, want to have them back next year. Together with the girls
backup vocals and potentially some other jamming opportunities. If you
know people who'd like to get on this stage with their instruments &
play with that band, let me know.
- Nestor bar
We tell them every year, but we are not succeeding. It's the same with
the WiFi, we tell them over and over … but improvements are very slow.
- Time's up
Personally, I think that the FOSSLC people should get the responsibility
to show the 5min / 0min cards. This will keep them awake / alert on one
side, and let the speaker know that his time is over. I find it quite
rude to go into overtime as some of them did.
- FMZ
We will have to stick to it for another year. But after that I hope
we'll be able to move to a larger place. In all honesty: The advantages
of the Forum make it really hard to move away, despite of some
disadvantages that the place has
Some other notes
- OSGi Community event
Just got confirmation from Susan Schwarze that they want to do it again
with us. Fine with me, or do you have other thoughts?
- Java 8
I want to contact Oracle and see if they want to do a Java track again
in 2013, like they did in 2011. Thoughts?
- internal feedback list
I encourage you to capture feedback on speakers / talks that you have
attended or have heard about. For now I believe we can use Christian's
spreadsheet that we can convert later into a little database. What I
would like to get out of that is a 'rating' of the speaker(s) and
topics, if this is possible: If somebody was sloppy/diligent or did a
really bad / or really good talk we should know this for the next
conferences.
- IWG talks
Do you guys have any ideas how we can judge these talks (Polarsys,
Automotive, M2M and the likes) better? I'm happy to talk to them and see
if we can get better judgement into the PC (of course, with Benjamin we
already have an expert on M2M)
- Programming contest / out-of-Eclipse stuff
Did you get any feedback on the flight club programming contest? What
did you personally think about the not-Eclipse-related challenge? If you
liked that, should we look into bringing some other stuff from the
outside into the conference, like Maker stuff, Raspberry Pi? Ideas and
thoughts would be welcome
- Sponsors
Please help us to recruit sponsors! Talk to your companies and customers
and associates and and and ahead of time and tell them what a great
opportunity ECE 2013 will be! A lot of the fun stuff is only possible if
we get the sponsors to support them (including Nestor bar, my dear
fellow drinkers)
Again - I want to thank you all for your time and the great work you did!
Regards / Liebe Grüsse,
*Ralph Mueller *
Director, _Eclipse Foundation <http://www.eclipse.org/>
_Mobile: +49 177 449 0460
Office: +49 6251 789545
Am 29.10.2012 um 16:05 schrieb Martin Lippert <lippert@xxxxxxx
<mailto:lippert@xxxxxxx>>:
Hey!
- Extended Talks: I am still highly convinced that we should just do
standard talks, no extended talks at all
- Stopping people: first we should make it clearer that talks are
expended to finish at a certain time (to avoid the "It looked like my
talk is up 3pm" where is was supposed to end at 2:55pm). This should be
easy to do with an improved layout in the program overview, maybe also
with a little space between two talks (indicating that there is a time
to walk to another room). Second: I like the backwards running timers in
front of the stage (directed towards the presenter) showing you exactly
how much time is left for your talk, changing color to orange when it is
getting close, and showing a big red "STOP" when time is over. Maybe
even showing a "now questions" above the time when it is time for
questions, while still showing the time running backwards. This avoids
the "I forgot" and "I used my own timer". For the remaining group of
speakers who just ignore the time and continue, the next speaker should
just stand up and politely ask the guy to stop. But I guess we will
cover the majority of timing issues with the first two action items.
- Theatre: I love the Theatre room (like those big stages, too), but I
agree that closing the back doors is worth a try. With regards to the
light: this is usually the case for those stages and just a matter of
getting used to it a bit. Then you don't even notice those lights
anymore. I would not change it.
- having a communicated waiting list in case talks gets cancelled is a
great idea. Big +1. We could let people know via an acceptance, waiting
list, or rejection email. We could even make the waiting list public and
transparent.
- Circus was indeed an awesome idea. Having this kind of non-technical
and entertaining event was absolutely great and we should try to do the
same of something similar again next year. Since we have a relatively
big stage available, we have a lot of possibilities there. But I guess
this is also a question of sponsoring and money...
- Improve the nestor bar experience is also a very good point...!!! :-)
- Having something off-site (FMZ) doesn't work that well, I think. It is
certainly possible, but those rooms and talks are always kind of
disconnected from the rest of the conference. I saw this at various
other conferences before and it never really worked out.
- Having water and soft drinks available all the time might be a
standard for ECE, but I need to emphasize this again: this is awesome
(!!!!!!) and should never be changed
Cheers,
-Martin
On 29.10.12 12:47, Campo, Christian wrote:
Hi PC
I think ECE 2012 went quit ok also thanks to the work we all together
put into create the program.
I do a quick list of things that could be better. I encourage everyone
to post their own feedback.
*Extended Talks*: I changed my mind abouzt extended talks. Talks I went
to could have also been presented as standard talk I must admit (except
my own talk :-) ). I am interested to hear what the impression of other
PC members is. But maybe we only do one length of talk next year ?
*Closing a talk:* I attended multiple session where people did not
finish on time. In one extended talk, people where looking on the
presentation time rather than the clock. One guy also started yet
another demo at 0:30. Also two people complained to me, that their
previous talk did not finish in time.
People simply didnt get that they had to finish 5 minutes BEFORE the
next speaker. Some people suggested to me that the FOSLC people should
interupt the speaker (or show yellow or red cards). I presonally think
that this would be too much. I had the idea of alarm clocks in every
room (started by the FOSLC people) and they would automatically go off
when the time is up.
Other ideas are welcome (someone blowing a wuwuzela on the hallway or
maybe there is a central loudspeaker that you could hear in every room).
Speakers (or at least some speakers) wouldnt stop by themselves and I
think it would be great if we can improve there.
*Theatre:* The place that I thought was really the best place for a good
talk turned out to suck great time. Again several people complained to
me. They couldnt see anyone, (lights right in their eye) and the crowd
would just distribute over the whole place. So 100 people look like an
empty crowd. I think we should close the back entrance for talks (not
for keynotes) so that people move into the front half. And maybe we can
also do something about the light. Currently it was a bad spot even for
great speakers.
* it was really hard for me to anticipate how many people go to a
talk. Most talks I went to had like 30 –50 (at most) people. I was
really wondering where everybody is. (maybe again that is because I
didnt went to modeling or DSL talks :-) ). Sarah Goff-Dupont who has
like 3rd from the cut line on the bottom of the list of the proposed
session, attracted about 60-70 people (people lining up on the wall)
to see here Continous Integration Talk. We werent so sure about here
because she is a product marketing person but she is a great speaker
(and singer :-) ) and her talk was great.
* The Eclipse 4 tutorial was packed. I have never seen the Stage room
so full of people. There was literally no seat. However it seems
that it was quit some work to get two proposals together into one
tutorial. (give that different people have different points of view
:-) )
* I liked the three keynotes. As Ralph said, they all could improve.
Some more and some less. The third one was apparently the best and I
think it was quit good to put them on the last day
* when I distributed the talks on the slots, I put talks with high
votings in the central place (rather than the FMZ) and also rather
one Tuesday, Wednesday. Not sure if that was a good idea. Seems that
the program faded a little out on thursday afternoon. Some people
were sitting there just waiting for the closing session or they left
early. Some apparently had to leave early because of a flight or a
customer waiting. So maybe not that bad.
* we had a surprising high number of talk cancellations. Is that
something we should formalize more like having a wait queue ?
As I wrote, please contribute your own feedback….
thanks
christian
-------------------------------------------------------------
compeople AG
Untermainanlage 8
60329 Frankfurt/Main
fon: +49 (0) 69 / 27 22 18 0
fax: +49 (0) 69 / 27 22 18 22
web: www.compeople.de <http://www.compeople.de> <http://www.compeople.de/>
Vorstand: Jürgen Wiesmaier
Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Christian Glanz
Sitz der Gesellschaft: Frankfurt/Main
Handelsregister Frankfurt HRB 56759
USt-IdNr. DE207665352
-------------------------------------------------------------
_______________________________________________
eclipse.org <http://eclipse.org>-eclipsecon-program-committee mailing list
eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee
_______________________________________________
eclipse.org <http://eclipse.org>-eclipsecon-program-committee mailing list
eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee
-------------------------------------------------------------
compeople AG
Untermainanlage 8
60329 Frankfurt/Main
fon: +49 (0) 69 / 27 22 18 0
fax: +49 (0) 69 / 27 22 18 22
web: www.compeople.de <http://www.compeople.de/>
Vorstand: Jürgen Wiesmaier
Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Christian Glanz
Sitz der Gesellschaft: Frankfurt/Main
Handelsregister Frankfurt HRB 56759
USt-IdNr. DE207665352
-------------------------------------------------------------
_______________________________________________
eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee mailing list
eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee@xxxxxxxxxxx
https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee
