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RE: [eclipse.org-committers] Installing SVN

I'm seeing git more and more these days. I've used the command line version to grab source to look at. I haven't tried the Eclipse integration. It would be interesting to analyze how it would work with Eclipse projects. It's a different paradigm than the CVS/SVN we're used to.
 
BTW, I think it's a combination of SVN and the clients. The biggest problem for me was merge which I think is both. And I saw the same issues someone mentioned earlier with refactoring. The client got totally lost. I love the promise of tracking file movements and renames, but the clients need to be rock solid for me to trust them. And that includes easy to install.
 
I think there's also a general problem with how Team clients integrate with Eclipse. Checking out projects from source control isn't a natural activity, at least with the source controls systems I've used. This is something I want to look at as part of the e4 flexible resources work. If you're interested, please join the platform-core-dev list and share your thoughts.
 
Doug.


From: James Ervin [mailto:jeervin@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:58 AM
To: Schaefer, Doug
Cc: Denis Roy; eclipse.org-committers@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [eclipse.org-committers] Installing SVN

Artistic comments aside, is the trouble with the base SVN or (in my opinon) with the SVN support in Eclipse?  If base SVN is a problem what about something like Git?  CVS works well, but I don't think we need to enumerate its deficiencies as to why ppl are considering other options.

James

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Schaefer, Doug <Doug.Schaefer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes, it was awesome. And rings so true. Luckily I was able to bail on using SVN (and no that's not why I switched companies ;).
 
BTW, this is exactly the kind of conversation I want to see on this list. We need to build up the greater Eclipse committer community and start communicating with eachother on matters that affect many of us. This SVN issue does as projects consider moving their source control there. We need to do more of this and work together to solve these issues.
 
Cheers,
Doug.


From: eclipse.org-committers-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:eclipse.org-committers-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denis Roy
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 8:33 AM
To: eclipse.org-committers@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [eclipse.org-committers] Installing SVN

Like Ed, I was trying to stay out of this conversation, but Peter's poem has moved me.

Peter,

Thank you very much for the inspirational, heart-warming poem.   The Webmaster team understands your pain, and has adopted the poem as our team anthem.




Peter Kriens wrote:
On 30 sep 2008, at 22:21, Ed Willink wrote:

Having now used both CVS and SVN extensively, I cannot recommend CVS
too strongly. Every time you copy or refactor in an SVN area expect nightmares.
Hear! Hear! And I started drinking way too much coffee due to SVN because it gives me ample time ... Last year I wrote my first poem ever (and likely last) during a checkout:

 Oh, how I long for the days of CVS
 When checkouts were a bless
 Updates found to be a breeze
 And a build went in a wheeze
 Now we are old and wise
 It is svn that I despise
 A simple checkout takes forever
 And often it ends never
 It is hungry for files and directories
 About disk usage it has no worries
 And with its split personality
 Using it from the shell has a penalty
 But alas, progress should not be blamed
 Directories can now be renamed!

A sad SVN user

Ok, I won't pursue a career in this area, but it illustrates my frustration ...

Kind regards,

Peter Kriens




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