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RE: [eclipse.org-committers] Installing SVN
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I'm seeing git more and more these days. I've used the command
line version to grab source to look at. I haven't tried the Eclipse
integration. It would be interesting to analyze how it would work with
Eclipse projects. It's a different paradigm than the CVS/SVN we're used
to.
BTW, I think it's a combination of SVN and the clients. The
biggest problem for me was merge which I think is both. And I saw the same
issues someone mentioned earlier with refactoring. The client got totally lost.
I love the promise of tracking file movements and renames, but the clients need
to be rock solid for me to trust them. And that includes easy to
install.
I think there's also a general problem with how Team clients
integrate with Eclipse. Checking out projects from source control isn't a
natural activity, at least with the source controls systems I've used. This is
something I want to look at as part of the e4 flexible resources work. If you're
interested, please join the platform-core-dev list and share your
thoughts.
Doug.
Artistic comments aside, is the trouble with the base SVN or (in
my opinon) with the SVN support in Eclipse? If base SVN is a problem
what about something like Git? CVS works well, but I don't think we need
to enumerate its deficiencies as to why ppl are considering other options.
James
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Schaefer, Doug
<Doug.Schaefer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Yes, it
was awesome. And rings so true. Luckily I was able to bail on using SVN (and
no that's not why I switched companies ;).
BTW,
this is exactly the kind of conversation I want to see on this list. We need
to build up the greater Eclipse committer community and start communicating
with eachother on matters that affect many of us. This SVN issue does as
projects consider moving their source control there. We need to do more of
this and work together to solve these issues.
Cheers,
Doug.
Like Ed, I was trying to stay out of this conversation, but
Peter's poem has moved me.
Peter,
Thank you very much for
the inspirational, heart-warming poem. The Webmaster team
understands your pain, and has adopted the poem as our team
anthem.
Peter Kriens wrote:
On 30 sep 2008, at 22:21, Ed Willink wrote:
Having
now used both CVS and SVN extensively, I cannot recommend CVS
too
strongly. Every time you copy or refactor in an SVN area expect
nightmares.
Hear! Hear! And I started
drinking way too much coffee due to SVN because it gives me ample time
... Last year I wrote my first poem ever (and likely last) during a
checkout:
Oh, how I long
for the days of CVS
When checkouts were a
bless
Updates found to be a breeze
And a build went in
a wheeze
Now we are old and wise
It is svn that I
despise
A simple checkout takes forever
And often it
ends never
It is hungry for files and
directories
About disk usage it has no worries
And
with its split personality
Using it from the shell has a
penalty
But alas, progress should not be
blamed
Directories can now be renamed!
A
sad SVN user
Ok, I won't pursue a career in this
area, but it illustrates my frustration ...
Kind regards,
Peter Kriens
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