Re: [eclipse.org-architecture-council] Better documentation forbuilding

[Nick Boldt <nboldt@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Martin:

To track CBI progress, see:

http://wiki.eclipse.org/Build_Workshop_3:_Build_Hard_With_A_Purpose#Results

You'll see the list of bugs grow/shrink, and the Report document expand as we add things to it.

As to contacting the CBI masters - they are:
  Nick Boldt, Red Hat
  Andrew Overholt, Red Hat
  Andrew Niefer, IBM
  Kim Moir, IBM
  Denis Roy, Eclipse Foundation
  Bjorn Freeman-Benson, Eclipse Foundation

You're welcome to send people to us as guinea pigs -- perhaps have them open bugs in Dash.commonbuilder saying "run build foo using CBI" -- but the infrastructure isn't quite settled down. In fact, I just refactored the per-project build.properties file today to allow building the SDK/runtime/examples separately from the tests (bug 251879).

Once I have a project that can build from end-to-end (sdk, runtime, examples, tests), run tests (including headless UI tests), sign and pack, and produce a p2-enabled update site... THEN it'll be time to sign people to try it out.

Until then, they'll just get frustrated and potentially give up. I'm all about beta-testing, but not until the product is ready to be tested. Everyone already knows how painful it can be to set up PDE the first time, so I don't want to sour the milk if I can avoid it.

Check back in a couple weeks?

-- 
Nick Boldt :: JBoss, a division of Red Hat 
Productization Lead :: JBoss Tools & Dev Studio 
Release Engineer :: Eclipse Modeling & Dash CBI 


----- "Andrew Overholt" <overholt@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Fixing Nick's email address.
> 
> * Oberhuber, Martin <Martin.Oberhuber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [2008-11-05
> 13:03]:
> > Hi Wayne,
> > 
> > I haven't talked to Nick recently how far the CBI is, but
> > guiding folks to some manual setup of an automated build
> > right now seems odd given that CBI is just round the corner.
> > 
> > I'd think it would be wiser to direct project which need
> > some automated build setup NOW to get in touch with Nick
> > or Denis, and have them be guinea pigs for CBI... provided
> > that Nick, Denis or perhaps somebody else would be OK with
> > helping fresh adopters on CBI ?
> > 
> > Wayne: what is the number of projects that you anticipate
> > being in need of some automated builds in the near future?
> > 
> > Nick: would it be OK for you to tell interested parties 
> > how to contact the CBI masters, instead of investing time
> > and energy now in updating the Builder docs on the Wiki?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > --
> > Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff, Wind River
> > Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
> > http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: eclipse.org-architecture-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> > > [mailto:eclipse.org-architecture-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
> > > On Behalf Of Wayne Beaton
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:54 PM
> > > To: eclipse.org-architecture-council
> > > Subject: [eclipse.org-architecture-council] Better 
> > > documentation forbuilding Eclipse projects
> > > 
> > > Hey folks.
> > > 
> > > I've been chatting with some folks from one of the Technology 
> > > projects 
> > > about creating an automated build. AFAICT there is very little 
> > > documentation around that discusses how one goes about setting up
> an 
> > > automated build at eclipse.org.
> > > 
> > > I did find a page on the wiki [1] that seems to be a 
> > > reasonable start at 
> > > it, but it needs some serious love. I've started to give it some 
> > > attention, and thought that I'd invite others to provide 
> > > their own input.
> > > 
> > > Is anybody aware of better documentation that describes the build
> 
> > > process with PDE Build using build.eclipse.org with pack200, JAR 
> > > signing, and update-site creation support?
> > > 
> > > I realize that the Common Build Infrastructure work is ongoing in
> the 
> > > Dash project, but my sense is that there's still quite a lot 
> > > of work to 
> > > do before wholesale adoption can begin.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Wayne
> > > 
> > > [1] http://wiki.eclipse.org/Building
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