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RE: [eclipse-dev] Best practices for provisional APIs
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Good idea, but doesn't this break the rules for versioning plug-ins:
"Each segment captures a different intent:
the major segment indicates breakage in the API
the minor segment indicates "externally visible" changes
the service segment indicates bug fixes and the change of development
stream (the semantics attached to development stream is new to this
proposal, see below)
the qualifier segment indicates a particular build"
I thought that by definition, non-internal packages form the API.
Therefore, if I am making changes that break the API contract, the major
segment has to be incremented.
Regarding the "strong disruption": Like Randy and Jeff, I think it is
useful to be able to mark some of your internal classes as proposed API, to
make it easier for clients to distinguish between packages with internal
implementation classes and packages that they should look at and comment
on. If it is too difficult to collapse "internal.provisional" to just
"provisional", that's not a big deal, I can live with long package names.
Boris
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Adopting what you are proposing would actually represent a strong
distruption from what is now current practice in the eclipse ecosystem and
would likely confused consummers.
Personnaly I'm in agreement with Dejan. As an API author I should treat it
like API and it should be in the namespace where it will eventually
belongs. However as a consummer I should make sure that I'm treating it as
an internal package, meaning that I need to express my requirements on the
provider of the provisional package very tightly (for example, if I used
jface.databinding I would say [1.0.0, 1.1.0) since I can't be sure of what
will be the API in 1.1). Doing so, will protect me from changes in the API.
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+1 for using just provisional for unpublished "API", internal for
implementation classes, and neither provisional nor internal for real API.
If this requires changes to the tools, or change to the codified Eclipse
Development Process, then why not?
I do think, however, that it is problematic if you don't change the package
name once an API is published. There are two strong reasons against
putting non-API in a public package: First, you cannot be sure that clients
have to recompile to keep using the API. As a result, when evolving the
not-quite-public API, you now have to worry about binary compatibility
rather than just source compatibility. Second, and this may only apply to
Platform or the SDK: you would have to increment the major segment of the
plug-in version number in the case where you find out that the API needs to
change. Now consider the ripple effect of bumping the major version number
of, say, org.eclipse.jface, and it becomes clear why putting (however
tagged) non-API in public packages is a bad idea.
If you are lucky and the provisional "API" stays unchanged when publishing
it, you would only have to change the minor segment of the version number,
and all you require clients to do is to do an organize imports and update
their version number and dependencies accordingly.
Boris
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One objection that?s been raised to ?internal.provisional? in the past is
that provisional APIs are APIs you hope *not* to change, and that naming
convention guarantees you need to change at least that much. FWIW,
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I would prefer just ".provisional" or ".experimental" prefix in the
package name. Clients are more likely to look at the API, which is the
whole point to releasing it in its "unpolished" state. Oh .... and it's
easier to type.
No, that doesn't work because Eclipse now has all these access warnings set
up that key off of ".internal". I know that's configurable but...
Jeff, would it be good enough to encourage usage by calling them .internal
but having a comment in the Javadoc that says something to the effect of
"Yeah, it's internal but we expect it to be api soon, so please try it and
comment on bug xxx". And then users can deliberately add those packages to
the access whitelist. To me this is orthogonal to what is done for things
you know are going to be API but are iffy during the milestones, you don't
use .internal but you put a "this is experimental" comment in the javadoc.
(If you really wanted to get fancy you could have a new javadoc tag like
'@visibility x' where 'x' was your confidence level in how stable it was.
Maybe something on whether it was intended to be extended too. The compiler
could adjust diagnostics based on that. But I'm not actually suggesting
that.)
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