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Re: [ecf-dev] ECF participation in the annual simultaneous release

Hi Wim,

On 7/6/2016 2:18 PM, Wim Jongman wrote:

Hi Scott,

I don't think that this is a good idea. Every time I open the release train repo I see ECF. This must almost be on a weekly basis. So will thousands other people.

I think it is valuable 'free' publicity and with the whole microservice and IoT surge I think giving up your front seat row is a bad idea.


I think characterizing it as 'free' publicity and 'giving up a front row seat' is not accurate. Truth is, according to Foundation we are not in IoT and don't receive any publicity...either as a Runtime Project or as an IoT project (logically we are both RT and IoT, but don't get any of the promotional/marketing/visibility benefits for either of them). For a timely example of what I'm talking about, please see discussion on this bug [1] and subsequently on the runtime pmc mailing list [2].


[1] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=493809#c124
[2] https://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/rt-pmc/msg04666.html

I'm not arguing that leaving the SR is necessarily a 'good idea', I'm just saying that under the current conditions, I can't meet the necessary commitments and so since I'm currently responsible for those commitments as project lead, I won't make them without having a way to meet them.

I don't think the overhead is all that much especially since you already plan to release 4 times.


There is significant overhead of the SR that I experience as project lead and primary active committer....meeting requirements, communication/bug fixing with Platform and SR projects, regular releng, doing specialized work under continually more difficult SR releng conditions (for example last year see [3]), and other things.


All of [3] was/is imposed by the SR and would not even be of concern with ECF-only releases. In my experience, something akin to [3] has occurred nearly every SR (e.g. with p2/Filetransfer). Please trust me...it is significant overhead, even if it doesn't seem so on this mailing list.

[3] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=487857

I would rather advice to release 3 times but still keep riding the train.


Here's my bottom line: To stay on the train we need a commitment to do the necessary work. I'm not able to continue being the only jockey actually riding the train when it starts moving (i.e. see the part that requires significant overhead) with no visible means of support. I've asked previously for that commitment from Platform, EF, member companies that depend upon us, and others, and it hasn't come through in previous cycles, so I'm not at all confident that it will during this cycle.


Therefore, the only way I will agree to have ECF continue riding the SR is when the request comes with necessary resources. Not because I think it's a 'good idea', but because that's currently all I can do.

Scott