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Re: [ecf-dev] Riena Webinar
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Hi Christian,
I do request that you not refer to ECF remote services *versus* Riena
Remote Services. In my view they are focused on different things:
Riena: provide a full remote services implementation with features like
transparency, advance security, others
ECF remote services: provide transport independent abstraction(s) for
remote services...and multiple implementations: e.g. r-OSGi, ECF
generic, XMPP, JMS, others (hopefully Riena).
Given this, I think it's incorrect to refer to them as one versus
another. By analogy, r-OSGi is also an remote services implementation,
and there is absolutely no conflict with ECF remote services API
(witness the r-OSGi provider, which Jan created very rapidly).
As we discussed at the summit, I think the best arrangement would be to
have a Riena-based provider that can be accessed via the ECF remote
services API...and *if* Riena has unique features (e.g. security) that
imply/find additions, bugs, or changes to the ECF remote services API
then these can/will be happily added in the ECF 3.0 release cycle or
beyond. I've started such a Riena-based remote services provider, but
have not completed it yet due to the fact that Riena impl has been
rightfully changing rapidly, and I/we've been consumed with other
things. But I invite the Riena committers and/or contributors to work
with us on this provider (as you are obviously the ones with current
knowledge of Riena's internal structure) and add/contribute/improve the
ECF remote services API.
*If*, in fact, Riena *is* attempting to provide just such a transport
independent abstraction/API as well, then this is a direct conflict with
ECF remote services and these efforts should be consolidated rather than
having two projects doing the same thing (one mature and the other in
incubation, and one based upon multiple implementations and the other
based upon one implemenation). In my view, anything else is extremely
confusing for both communities.
Scott
P.S. I did watch the video...nice job.
Christian Campo wrote:
Hi ECF-Folks,
since we talked about ECF Remote Services versus Riena Remote Services
in the BOF at the Eclipse Summiti, I thought it might be worthwhile
pointing you a webinar that I did last night about Riena. In the
middle of the presentation you see a part about injecting services and
extensions and after that a live coding session creating a remote
service sample from scratch.
http://live.eclipse.org/node/612
I am not saying which one is better (although I might have an opinion
:-) ) but it certainly helps if we better understand the concepts of
the other project and
we, Riena have already digged for quite some time to get ECF Remote
Services with R-OSGI, with the generic server and through XMPP running
that I believe I understand the ECF concepts there.
Just for the curious among you.
christian campo, Riena project lead
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