Re: [e4-dev] Sandbox for Eclipse proposal as E4 sub-project

[Mickael Istria <mistria@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Wim Jongman <wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Is that RedHats opinion or do you say that in general?

It's my personal opinion, which I believe is shared by several other Red Hat contributors to Eclipse ecosystem. But it's not an official statement from whatever organization nor group of people; and it's an opinion that can change.

 

If there will ever be a dream of rebuilding Eclipse from the ground

This doesn't sound like a dream to me ;)

 

then IMHO E4 is a very solid starting point.

Sure, I agree with that. But the starting point of Eclipse IDE was many years ago, and I find dealing at best with the (actually very good) legacy more profitable to me and users than dealing with e4. But again, I'm not against it, I can change my mind, and efforts to e4-ify Generic Editor and LSP4E are welcome.

It makes me wonder what exactly is the IDE? What can be stripped before it loses that title?

Look at VSCode, it's in the transitioning phase from being perceived as editor into winning the title of IDE.

What I believe are the criteria:

* Everything that seems heavy (to download, to start, to run...) is perceived as an IDE independently of its feature set.

* If you're providing debugger, build and deployment actions as "integrated" actions -not just as shortcuts to CLI in a menu-, you're an IDE.