Re: [e4-dev] Questions on e4 state

[Tom Schindl <tom.schindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Another model change coming is the one from Dirk on the new language switch support.

Tom

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 13.01.2014 um 22:29 schrieb Marco Descher <marco@xxxxxxxxxx>:
> 
> Hy Eric,
> 
> thanks for your response, and thanks a lot for the overview on the state.
> I am currently working on a research project, where I want to find the possibilities
> and limitations of creating user documentation based on information within the
> application model.
> 
> To this end, I scanned the application model and am currently categorizing these
> for further processing. I am especially interested in the current situation and
> upcoming evolvement of the model, as it poses the base for my work.
> 
> As you mentioned, the Opaque and Rendere items outlived their purpose, hence I could
> not make sense of them which led to the question.
> 
> I find it sad, that the patches for MDialog and MWizard are going to be removed.
> Is it just this specific solution which did not fit, or is the entire approach of
> representing these elements within the application model going to be abandoned? It did not
> come clear to me in the bugzilla link.
> 
> As the documentation, I want to create out of the application model, is targeted to fit to ISO 26514 (see http://standards.ieee.org/findstds/standard/26514-2010.html) I already identified some elements which are not represented within the
> current application model - such as the missing Dialog and Wizards.
> 
> What interests me especially, is whether the „Cheatsheets“ as used in E3 are up for discussion
> of inclusion into the application model. As they can be seen as the equivalent of
> an ISO 26514 „Procedure“.
> 
> All the best,
> Marco
> 
> An 13. Jänner 2014 at 21:14:39, Eric Moffatt (emoffatt@xxxxxxxxxx) schrieb:
>> 
>> 
>> Marco, sorry for the delay but I'm back and rarin' to go now !
>> 
>> First, thanks for the 'kick'...this disappeared from the radar  
>> mostly
>> because we don't have an explicit defect open for it. We do still  
>> intend to
>> remove the code for the 'Opaque' and 'Rendered' items since they  
>> only need
>> access to run-time data which can be stored in the 'transientData'  
>> map
>> (which wasn't there when we did the original design). I've just  
>> started
>> looking at that this afternoon...
>> 
>> As far as new elements go we've added a list of MDialogs and MWizards  
>> to
>> the MApplication model but these are experimental and may well  
>> be removed
>> based on the feedback we've received on
>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=421462.  
>> 
>> I don't know of any other changes but I'm still a bit fuzzy from  
>> the
>> vacation...;-). Is there something you were particularly interested  
>> in ?
>> 
>> Onwards,
>> Eric
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Marco Descher  
>> 
>> To: E4 Project developer mailing list ,  
>> 
>> Date: 01/10/2014 07:03 AM
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Questions on e4 state
>> 
>> Sent by: e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dear List,
>> 
>> I asked about the state of certain application model elements,  
>> a week and a
>> month ago, please see the enclosed mail.
>> Interestingly I find, that no one seems to have an answer on these  
>> questions. Could it be, that there is no one
>> assigned to this, or that I am simply querying on the wrong list?  
>> 
>> In case (no one responsible), may I ask who did the original work  
>> on the
>> application model, and if there is a ticket for this? A search  
>> for
>> application model in bugzilla is not really useful.
>> 
>> Thanks again,
>> Marco
>> 
>> An 06. Jänner 2014 at 08:27:47, Marco Descher (marco@xxxxxxxxxx)  
>> schrieb:
>>> 
>>> Hy list,
>>> 
>>> a few months ago there was a discussion on the list that it is the  
>>> time to figure out what we need in e4. I would be very interested  
>>> in the following status-quo information; so if anybody could  
>>> please help me out!
>>> 
>>> * What elements are now planned to be added to the application  
>>> model? Is there a ticket for this?
>>> * What happens to the elements in the application model, that  
>>> are already considered for removal, but still there like:
>>> Rendered*
>>> Opaque*
>>> * What about the elements marked as Provisional for 4.3 like  
>>> ToolBarContribution(s),
>>> TrimContribution(s),
>>> MenuContribution(s)
>>> 
>>> If there is a working group considering the help system I would  
>>> be very much interested in getting involved, as I am currently  
>>> working on a research project where I try to harvest the application  
>>> model to generate application documentation!
>>> 
>>> Thanks to all of you,
>>> Marco
>>> 
>>> 
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