Re: [e4-dev] Questions on e4 state

[Marco Descher <marco@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hy Eric,

thanks for your response, and thanks a lot for the overview on the state.
I am currently working on a research project, where I want to find the possibilities
and limitations of creating user documentation based on information within the
application model.

To this end, I scanned the application model and am currently categorizing these
for further processing. I am especially interested in the current situation and
upcoming evolvement of the model, as it poses the base for my work.

As you mentioned, the Opaque and Rendere items outlived their purpose, hence I could
not make sense of them which led to the question.

I find it sad, that the patches for MDialog and MWizard are going to be removed.
Is it just this specific solution which did not fit, or is the entire approach of
representing these elements within the application model going to be abandoned? It did not
come clear to me in the bugzilla link.

As the documentation, I want to create out of the application model, is targeted to fit to ISO 26514 (see http://standards.ieee.org/findstds/standard/26514-2010.html) I already identified some elements which are not represented within the
current application model - such as the missing Dialog and Wizards.

What interests me especially, is whether the „Cheatsheets“ as used in E3 are up for discussion
of inclusion into the application model. As they can be seen as the equivalent of
an ISO 26514 „Procedure“.

All the best,
Marco

An 13. Jänner 2014 at 21:14:39, Eric Moffatt (emoffatt@xxxxxxxxxx) schrieb:
>  
>  
> Marco, sorry for the delay but I'm back and rarin' to go now !
>  
> First, thanks for the 'kick'...this disappeared from the radar  
> mostly
> because we don't have an explicit defect open for it. We do still  
> intend to
> remove the code for the 'Opaque' and 'Rendered' items since they  
> only need
> access to run-time data which can be stored in the 'transientData'  
> map
> (which wasn't there when we did the original design). I've just  
> started
> looking at that this afternoon...
>  
> As far as new elements go we've added a list of MDialogs and MWizards  
> to
> the MApplication model but these are experimental and may well  
> be removed
> based on the feedback we've received on
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=421462.  
>  
> I don't know of any other changes but I'm still a bit fuzzy from  
> the
> vacation...;-). Is there something you were particularly interested  
> in ?
>  
> Onwards,
> Eric
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: Marco Descher  
>  
> To: E4 Project developer mailing list ,  
>  
> Date: 01/10/2014 07:03 AM
>  
> Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Questions on e4 state
>  
> Sent by: e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Dear List,
>  
> I asked about the state of certain application model elements,  
> a week and a
> month ago, please see the enclosed mail.
> Interestingly I find, that no one seems to have an answer on these  
> questions. Could it be, that there is no one
> assigned to this, or that I am simply querying on the wrong list?  
>  
> In case (no one responsible), may I ask who did the original work  
> on the
> application model, and if there is a ticket for this? A search  
> for
> application model in bugzilla is not really useful.
>  
> Thanks again,
> Marco
>  
> An 06. Jänner 2014 at 08:27:47, Marco Descher (marco@xxxxxxxxxx)  
> schrieb:
> >
> > Hy list,
> >
> > a few months ago there was a discussion on the list that it is the  
> > time to figure out what we need in e4. I would be very interested  
> > in the following status-quo information; so if anybody could  
> > please help me out!
> >
> > * What elements are now planned to be added to the application  
> > model? Is there a ticket for this?
> > * What happens to the elements in the application model, that  
> > are already considered for removal, but still there like:
> > Rendered*
> > Opaque*
> > * What about the elements marked as Provisional for 4.3 like  
> > ToolBarContribution(s),
> > TrimContribution(s),
> > MenuContribution(s)
> >
> > If there is a working group considering the help system I would  
> > be very much interested in getting involved, as I am currently  
> > working on a research project where I try to harvest the application  
> > model to generate application documentation!
> >
> > Thanks to all of you,
> > Marco
> >
> >
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