Re: [e4-dev] RE: [wtp-pmc] Proposal for JSDT as a project

[Kirill Grouchnikov <kirillcool@xxxxxxxxx>]

Some of the code in Trident was developed by two other people - i will contact them about relicensing.

In any case, it is quite unlikely that Trident will be contributed to e4. It is a general purpose animation library that does not target SWT specifically. It has special built in support for UI toolkits, with out of the box support for Swing, SWT and most recently Android. If there's anything missing to support SWT, i'm happy to add it, but the way i see it Trident is a third-party dependency jar in e4. Otherwise it's just maintaining two separate versions of the same library in two separate places.

I do believe that this is how it's done, for example, with JUnit support in Eclipse - and most probably with other libraries not specifically written and relicensed under EPL for usage in Eclipse.

Thanks
Kirill

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From: "yves.yang@xxxxxxxxxxx" <yves.yang@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: E4 Project developer mailing list <e4-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sun, November 29, 2009 4:08:26 PM
Subject: Re: [e4-dev] RE: [wtp-pmc] Proposal for JSDT as a project

The purpose of XWT is to integerate all existing solutions and unify them
with an abstraction to simply the UI development. We may develop the
solution if eclipse has not.

As for Trident, we are interested in using it. But the problem is the
license. Could you follow Boris' suggestion to change the license and
contribute it in e4?

Best regards
Yves YANG
> Hi
>
> My question was more about how are you planning to implement the animation
> engine - using an existing library such as Trident, or writing your own
> one from the scratch.
>
> Thanks
> Kirill
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: yves (yingmin) yang <yves.yang@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: E4 Project developer mailing list <e4-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sat, November 28, 2009 2:40:53 AM
> Subject: RE: [e4-dev] RE: [wtp-pmc] Proposal for JSDT as a project
>
>
> Yes, exactly. I think Animation is a big missing in eclipse. It
> is one of fundamental features to develop a modern application. Look at
> IPhone,
> Mac OS and Windows 7, all fashion views are created by Animation.
>
> yves
> From:e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Kirill
> Grouchnikov
> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 2:28 AM
> To: E4 Project developer mailing list
> Subject: Re: [e4-dev] RE: [wtp-pmc] Proposal for JSDT as a project
>
> Are you thinking about creating a brand new
> animation layer?
>
> Thanks
> Kirill
>
> ________________________________
>
> From:yves (yingmin) yang
> <yves.yang@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: E4 Project developer mailing list <e4-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>;
> mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx; "WTP PMC communications (including
> coordination, announcements, and Group discussions)"
> <wtp-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Fri, November 27, 2009 9:48:21 AM
> Subject: RE: [e4-dev] RE: [wtp-pmc] Proposal for JSDT as a project
> I
> think Animation is a very important features to develop a “killer
> application”,
> it plays more effect than CSS. XWT does look at closely this feature.
>
> Best regards
> Yves YANG
> From:e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Kirill
> Grouchnikov
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 6:31 PM
> To: mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx; E4 Project developer mailing list; WTP
> PMC communications (including coordination, announcements, and Group
> discussions)
> Cc: E4 Project developer mailing list
> Subject: Re: [e4-dev] RE: [wtp-pmc] Proposal for JSDT as a project
>
> I
> tried to initiate a discussion on adding animations to e4, but
> unfortunately it
> hadn't received much attention, and kind of died.
>
> Thanks
> Kirill
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From:Mike Milinkovich
> <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "WTP PMC communications (including coordination, announcements,
> and Group discussions)" <wtp-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: E4 Project developer mailing list <e4-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Fri, November 27, 2009 9:13:25 AM
> Subject: [e4-dev] RE: [wtp-pmc] Proposal for JSDT as a project
> The phrase “...the _javascript_ debugging support currently
> being developed within the e4 Project...” caught my eye.
>
> IMHO, e4 needs a “killer app” in the way that JDT was for the
> original Eclipse versions. I’ve hold little hope that the JDT project in
> its
> current form could fill that role.
>
> Is a native e4 implementation (e.g. one not relying upon the 3.x
> compatibility platform) of these _javascript_ tools within the scope of this
> project? Is aligning the release schedule of this project with e4 part of
> the
> plan?
>
> I would also note that this project lacks diversity. All of the
> committers are from IBM. Who else wants to step up to participate? Can we
> please (pretty please!) endeavour to create more diversity on this project
> before it is formally created?
>
> /mike
>
> From:wtp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wtp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> Of Nitin Dahyabhai
> Sent: November-23-09 1:46 PM
> To: wtp-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [wtp-pmc] Proposal for JSDT as a project
>
>
> Hello,
> I'd like to
> propose a _javascript_ Development Tools project, based largely on the
> _javascript_
> Development Tools component in Source Editing.  The proposal is in the
> attached zip and details some of the reasoning behind the idea, and how
> the
> plan is to still have it be part of our 3.2 Release.  I'd like the PMC's
> review and approval before forwarding it to the EMO.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> ---
> Nitin Dahyabhai
> Eclipse WTP Source Editing
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