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[dsdp-pmc] Re: eRCP setup (was: [eclipse.org-architecture-council] Minutes from Thursday's call)

The problem is not so much about eRCP SDK not being usable. As Ed also
found out, we have a problem with our SDK (eRCP for win32 build ) that
it does not pack the source code files so that the IDE can use them to
provide debug, code assist etc.  Our second problem, again as Ed found
out first hand,  is our CVS structure is not that obvious (but then we
are not the only one) and we do not have a good documentation about
getting started to contributing for eRCP. I have a committer who had
volunteered to provide that but he has not yet finished that. I will
check back with him on the progress.
---
Gorkem


On Jan 28, 2008 3:36 PM, Ed Merks <merks@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Martin,
>
> I did exchange notes with Gorkem and he was helpful, so don't take my
> comments as any deep kind of criticism of eRCP.  It took me less time to
> get up and running than it did for RAP.  The problem was that I wanted to
> extract it from CVS rather than just download the zip file, so I could hack
> the code and provide patches more easily.  I described my experience in by
> blog about EMF and eRCP:
>
>    http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2008/01/emf-and-ercp-two-great-things-that-go.html
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> I just couldn't find an SDK either, so I'm not sure how one can debug and
> see the source.
>
> So my comments are effectively just some suggestions on what you could do
> to make a great thing even better.
>
>
> Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
> mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
> 905-413-3265  (t/l 313)
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>              "Oberhuber,
>              Martin"
>              <Martin.Oberhuber                                          To
>              @windriver.com>           "Gorkem Ercan" <gercan@xxxxxxx>,
>                                        "Mark Rogalski"
>              01/28/2008 08:15          <rogalski@xxxxxxxxxx>, Ed
>              AM                        Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
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>                                        eRCP setup (was:
>                                        [eclipse.org-architecture-council]
>                                        Minutes from Thursday's call)
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> Hi Ed, Mark, Gorkem,
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> thanks for the feedback about eRCP. I'm forwarding this
> to the  eRCP project leadds and the dsdp-pmc.
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> Did you ever talk to the eRCP people directly?
>
> I think I was in the same boat as you not understanding
> how to set up eRCP, until I met Mark Rogalski at EclipseCon
> last year. In fact, it was only one tiny bit of information
> that helped me get set up:
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>   1.) Download the eRCP Windows packag. It's self-contained
>       and will run out of the box (e.g. to try examples)
>   2.) For development, simply set your "Target Platform"
>       to your eRCP installation.
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> That worked for me at that time, not sure whether it's still
> true for recent eRCP releases. Mark and Gorkem, I wonder
> whether you'd find a nice place for that sort of information
> on your homepage or Wiki?
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff, Wind River
> Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
> http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:eclipse.org-architecture-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Ed Merks
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> Subject: Re: [eclipse.org-architecture-council] Minutes from Thursday's
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> Bjorn,
>
> Unfortunately the last meeting coincided with a meeting I had to discuss
> dangerous misconception that parts are simply free:
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> http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2008/01/manufacturing-pofitable-cars-with-f
> ree.html
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> Interestingly that turned out to be closely related to what I see in the
> minutes "Architecture for More Patches and Committers".    There are
> certainly too many free riders in the community.  And it's not
> politically
> correct to refer to them as leeches.  Obviously that's a bit of a joke,
> since the testing and feedback provided by users has significant value.
> But there's an element of truth in there as well.  Folks who need direct
> help and who want more features for free, are a bit of drain (though
> again,
> a form of valuable feedback as well).
>
> With regard to more patches and more committers, I think both will only
> come with encouragement, openness, and commitment from the development
> groups to engage their users.  It's a tireless and often thankless task
> to
> answer all your newsgroup questions, but it's one of the best ways to
> demonstrate to the community that they have value:
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> http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2008/01/would-you-like-fries-with-that-sir.
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> Keep in mind that most likely, folks will only get involved for self
> serving reasons, so we need to try to think of ways to harness selfish
> motivation.  Everyone has an ego and status is most certainly a
> motivation.
> Being an expert at something can also be profitable...
>
> In my opinion, the best way to get started down this path is to
> encourage
> all projects to include information about how to set up a development
> environment for their project:
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>    http://wiki.eclipse.org/EMF/Getting_Source
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> I had no trouble getting RAP set up (because I know the steps and the
> structure was obvious to me) but I have no idea how the eRCP stuff is
> supposed to work in a development environment so I had to give up on
> that.
> So for RAP I can and did provide patches, but for eRCP, it won't be
> easy.
>
> Unfortunately (well actually not), the next meeting will coincide with
> my
> vacation, so I'll miss that too.
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> Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
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