We
concluded this morning in the DSDP/DD monthly meeting that we will do it Monday.
We did our traveling arrangement accordingly.
For
the location I don't have any preferences QNX or WindRiver office in Ottawa
are fine with me, Pawel do you have a preferences?
That sounds like a
great idea Dominique. I think it would be great if we could have it on Monday so
that we can communicate the results to the CDT crowd later in the week. Id be
happy to host this at the QNX headquarters.
From:
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On Behalf Of Gaff,
Doug Sent: Thursday, August 09,
2007 10:25 AM To: Dominique
Toupin (QA/EMC); Piech, Pawel; Doug Schaefer Cc: Francois Chouinard (QA/EMC);
CDT General developers list.;
Device Debugging developer discussions;
Veenu Verma (AS/EAB) Subject:
RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] RE: CDT Summit?
Pawel - I think
your plan makes sense. I believe it meets the Ericsson commiters needs,
too.
Doug S Does this
work for you at the CDT summit?
From: Dominique
Toupin (QA/EMC) [mailto:dominique.toupin@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:09
AM To: Piech, Pawel;
Doug Schaefer; Gaff, Doug Cc: Device Debugging developer discussions;
CDT General developers list.; Francois
Chouinard (QA/EMC); Veenu Verma (AS/EAB); Marc Khouzam (QA/EMC) Subject: RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] RE: CDT
Summit?
I was thinking of doing
a coding camp where DSF committers could resolve outstanding issues with
existing services, discuss implementation details of new services and do some
coding.
This coding camp could
be an extra day (Monday or Friday), everyone interested in coding are
welcome.
During the CDT Summit
we can do a demo of DSF/MI and cover the topics mention by Pawel
below.
From: Pawel
Piech [mailto:pawel.piech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: August 8, 2007 8:20 PM To: Doug Schaefer Cc: Device Debugging developer discussions;
Dominique Toupin (QA/EMC); CDT General developers list.; Francois
Chouinard (QA/EMC); Veenu Verma (AS/EAB) Subject: Re: [dsdp-dd-dev] RE: CDT
Summit?
I think it would be excellent if we could spend more
time on in the summit on debugging and as long as there's a receptive audience
we could talk about DSF architecture and the MI implementation pretty much
indefinitely :-).
However, what Dominique is asking for is not so much a
presentation/discussion session, but rather a coding camp in model of what we
had in California in May. There we spent the
first day in white board discussions about architecture and after that we spent
three days split into groups to work on specific coding exercises stopping along
the way to answer questions. We obviously won't have time for such an
exercise during the CDT summit, but since we are all going to be at the same
location we're trying to take advantage of that to accelerate some of the DSF/MI
development.
Perhaps the best thing to do would be to use the time
at the conference to cover these topics in order and as time
allows:
- Demo
DSF/MI implementation
- Discuss integration between DSF and CDI and the UI
presentation
- Any
general Debugging UI workflow improvments, which could span Platform, CDT, and
TM
- DSF
architecture using code walk-throughs and Q&A
Then on Friday after the conference we could have an
additional day of mini-coding camp to talk about specific problems in the DSF/MI
reference implementation. We could host this last day at the Wind River
Ottawa office and have it open to anyone
interested.
Cheers, Pawel
Doug Schaefer wrote:
I think weve done
enough work on build and core in CDT 4.0 to last a lifetime. I dont anticipate
needing much discussion on that at this years summit, certainly not ¾ of
it.
The time has come to
spend a lot more time on debug and make sure we address the deficiencies we have
with the user experience and to have a road map for new debugger integrations
that come along. In other words, we need to find a way out of this DSF versus
CDI thing for the good of the community. But, before this can happen, people
need to understand DSF, which with its high level of abstraction and use of
generics has made that no easy task. So spending a whole day on it at the CDT
summit, hopefully walking through the GDB/MI integration and dealing with other
debug issues is not out of the question, and I actually believe it needs to
happen.
These emails need
to be sent to the dd-dev list so that others who want to attend can
comment.
I agree with Pawel
that we use try to do this in conjunction with the CDT summit. Whether
its a parallel session or part of the CDT meeting depends on the topics to be
covered, IMO.
Dominique can
you propose a list of items that youd like to see
covered?
From: Piech, Pawel
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007
5:49 PM To: Dominique Toupin
(QA/EMC) Cc: Gaff, Doug; Veenu
Verma (AS/EAB); Francois Chouinard (QA/EMC); Marc Khouzam (QA/EMC) Subject: Re: CDT
Summit?
Hi Dominique, Since Francois and Mark are already at
location I think it definitely makes sense for us to have a workshop on DSF/GDB
specifially. But do you think we need an extra day, or would it be enough
to set up a parallel session during the CDT summit. Last year about 3/4 of
the summit was on non debugger issues, so I could easily see us having a
parallel session. I'm only worried that some people (especially Doug S.)
will say that they want to be included in any and all debugger discussions, so
they may take exception to being left out. Still, if you think a parallel
session would be OK, we could propose to Doug S. and see what he
thinks.
Cheers, -Pawel
Dominique Toupin (QA/EMC) wrote:
Hi Pawel,
At the CDT Summit Sept 25-27 the
second bullet on the agenda is the incorporation of DSF in CDT: http://wiki.eclipse.org/CDT/summitfall2007
I guess you will be
attending? Could we have a small face to face
workshop for DSF/GDB implementation?
Dominique
Toupin M.A.Sc.,
Eng. Software Quality Assurance
Manager Group Function
Technology R&D PM&T, Software
Design & Implementation Ericsson
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