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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] EMFForms intends to drop from 2024-06
Hi Ed, Hi Alexander,

Thank you for raising your concerns. 
TLDR: EMF Forms is not deprecated, it is in maintenance mode as indicated on the project website. Being on the release train is far more than a couple of minutes of work if we want to do it right. EMF Forms is very stable in terms of API usage and there have been no compatibility issues for many years. We therefore do not foresee any impact on adopters when leaving the train. However, we want to leave the release train early enough, not in a rush when there is actually a real issue somewhere in the future.

Longer answer:
The issue is that it is actually not a few minutes if you want to do it right. Being on the release train also means to ensure its quality from my POV. Maybe a difference to other projects is that we have UI contributions. As an example, the UI components of the EMF Forms tooling are not looking good on the dark theme that was introduced. This is not a real issue for any existing user or adopters, but for people who look at the release train or more precisely the EPP, this looks unpolished. We need to spend significant resources on maintaining the release train contribution, particularly on testing. This is not about a few minutes.
We actually waited pretty long before taking this step and maintained the contribution for over a decade. We want to be more proactive with maintaining our contribution and not harm the general quality of the train.
We don't expect typical users and adopters to be negatively impacted by the decision to leave the release train. There has not been any breakage with new Eclipse versions in projects we know about in EMF Forms since many many years. This means use cases in existing projects typically work well and are not impacted. If there are any issues, there still are channels to contact the community and us, in order to fix potential issues and to produce new releases. But this is then based on request, when it really is needed. We expect to test and fix compatibility for known projects typically once per year. However, we do not want to generically promise compatibility for every new version and unknown projects without extensive testing and without knowing there is a specific need by an adopter.
I hope with this explanation, the decision makes more sense. Alexander, we are of course happy for any contributions and or comments!

Best regards,
Jonas

Am Do., 11. Apr. 2024 um 11:09 Uhr schrieb Ed Merks via cross-project-issues-dev <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>:

I think the user base for EMFForms out in broader community is significant.  Also, I think the statement that there isn't sufficient resource for builds nor for the few minutes it takes to contribute such builds to SimRel is a strong statement that the project is on the way toward extinction.   I'm not sure that's the message you want for the community.

On 11.04.2024 10:55, Alexander Fedorov via cross-project-issues-dev wrote:
Hello Eugen,

This is sad news, as Eclipse Passage project depend on EMFForms quite tightly. However, our components that require EMFForms are not in SimRel.
Nevertheless, our team is interested to see EMFForms alive, either inside or outside SimRel.

Please feel free to contact me if there are actions to maintain p2 repositories that are already overdue, may be we can find a solution together.

Regards,
AF

11.04.2024 11:31, Eugen Neufeld via cross-project-issues-dev пишет:
Hi,

EMFForms and thus ECP will drop from the release train as we don’t have the resources to test the contribution as we would like to.

We will maintain our project p2 repositories, so EMFForms may be consumed from there.  

There should be no effect on other projects. If we missed one please let us know so we can find a solution together.

Regards,
Eugen

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