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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Eclipse Mars 1 RC4 issue with Buildship / workspace prompt

+1 for a respin to avoid risk of negative impact on Eclipse users and how they think about Eclipse

Stephan

2015-09-23 11:58 GMT+02:00 Lars Vogel <lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx>:

+1 for a respin from my side

Am 23.09.2015 11:56 vorm. schrieb "Marcel Bruch" <marcel.bruch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Hi Etienne,

Since then, Buildship has been downloaded about 10’000 times but only 2 people reported a problem 

Well, I think this is not a strong indication for two reasons:
  1. Eclipse-IDE-wide we see more than half a million submitted (automated) error reports in the last quarter - which boil down to twenty-thousand distinct problematic locations in source code. Most of them are NullPointerExceptions. How many of them have been reported before? 
  2. I also doubt that many users relate the disappearance of the dialog with Buildship, thus, rather blame Eclipse than Buildship. It’s a subtile but annoying bug.


Besides that:
* I weight the cost of a respin much lower than the annoyance users might experience 
* I now understand that this issue occurs for Gradle users only (thanks for explaining) - but for all of them. As of today 10.000 users got affected by it. From October to February (Mars.1) 10.000 * x users will get affected by it again. This is a fair amount of users IMHO.
* I assume Buildship would prefer to ship the fixed version (maybe I’m wrong).


So far the discussion has been lead by a handful people - which likely is not representative for all opinions.
If I summarize correctly: David is fine with keeping it "as is“, Mikael want’s a respin. I second Mikaels position.
Maybe others have no strong feelings or don’t care.

It’s not on me to push a decision. But I’ve a clear preference - pro our users and pro Buildship.

Marcel



Am 23.09.2015 um 11:28 schrieb Etienne Studer <etienne@xxxxxxxxxx>:

Hi Marcel

Only Buildship users that have launched at least one Gradle task from the Tasks View may be affected. And, even then, only two users have reported a problem with the workspace prompt so far.

Please note that we introduced the call to bundle.start() on June 6th. Since then, Buildship has been downloaded about 10’000 times, but only 2 people reported a problem with the workspace prompt (if that serves as any kind of indication).

Etienne


On 23.09.2015, at 10:11, Marcel Bruch <marcel.bruch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I commented on the linked bug and currently strongly disagree with David’s opinion.


Short: 
If every Eclipse user using the Java, Java EE, or RCP/RAP EPP Package is affected by this, then its no doubt a blocker. 
Then, I vote for a rebuild (and if necessary for postponing the release if necessary - just to make clear how strong I feel about it).

If not every Java, Java EE, or RCP/RAP EPP Package user is affected by it, I’d like to understand when this issue occurs - and when it doesn’t.

Follow-ups in Bugzilla.
Marcel




Am 23.09.2015 um 09:27 schrieb Mickael Istria <mistria@xxxxxxxxxx>:

My favourite NetBeans troll couldn't miss this opportunity https://twitter.com/ehsavoie/status/646583406176960512
Tha and my regular chats with various IDE users (I spend a few hours monthly trying to convince IntelliJ and NetBeans users that Eclipse IDE isn't that bad)  make me feel that this issue is "reputation busting embarrassing".  At least, I don't know how I could keep on evangelizing about Eclipse IDE if our community is OK to ship a major bug in a high visible project to its users.
The bar of quality expectation has raised, IntelliJ and NetBeans are doing a great job, shipping applications that seem mostly bug-free. If we want Eclipse IDE to stay relevant we cannot ship applications with a critical bug.
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