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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Kepler SR3 for Java 8?
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The announcement was correct, but you need
to be aware that it's the first (i.e. 1.0) version of the Eclipse support
for Java 8 and as we all know it will have bugs. The Java 8 support comes
with big changes in the compiler and other areas of JDT, which means new
bugs can also affect users that don't need/want Java 8. This contradicts
with the user expectation that each service release will be more stable
and have less bugs than the previous drop.
Dani
From:
"Konstantin Komissarchik"
<konstantin.komissarchik@xxxxxxxxxx>
To:
"'Cross project
issues'" <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "'EPP
Developer Mailing List'" <epp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:
20.03.2014 18:52
Subject:
Re: [cross-project-issues-dev]
Kepler SR3 for Java 8?
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Hmm… The wording of the
Java 8 support announcement left an impression that the support is finished
and ready to be used. If it’s not, perhaps we should clarify the announcement.
On the other hand, if it is ready to be used to the best of everyone’s
ability, that’s all we can ever hope for anyway. Worst case scenario,
the user can always roll back to SR2.
A single patch repo would
be better than hunting for multiple patches, but still leaves a bad impression
about Eclipse in the minds of our users.
- Konstantin
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On Behalf Of Markus Keller
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:31 AM
To: Cross project issues; EPP Developer Mailing List
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Kepler SR3 for Java 8?
I don't think the Kepler repository should
get the JDT Java 8 patches.
The Java 8 work was a huge effort, and this code has not yet received the
in-depth testing that people expect from an official service release. While
it adds an eagerly-awaited feature for some users, it also bears quite
some risk for all the others that don't need Java 8 support at this time.
Luna is coming soon, so the waiting time is not that long. Until then,
Java 8 support should not be actively pushed into existing installs. But
a common patch for all affected Kepler projects would of course be nice.
Markus Keller (Eclipse JDT UI)
From: "Konstantin
Komissarchik" <konstantin.komissarchik@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Cross
project issues'" <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
"'EPP Developer Mailing List'" <epp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2014-03-20
18:13
Subject: Re:
[cross-project-issues-dev] Kepler SR3 for Java 8?
Sent by: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>From the perspective of best user experience, we should update the Kepler
repository and all the packages. If we limit the changes to just Java 8
support, the test load would not be great.
- Konstantin
From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
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On Behalf Of Markus Knauer
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:46 AM
To: Eclipse Cross Project Issues; EPP Developer Mailing List
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Kepler SR3 for Java 8?
I had this thought, too, and it
has been brought up in some discussions at EclipseCon. It should be in
our interest to make it as easy as possible for our users to get the integration
with Java 8.
*If* we decide for a SR3, what would
be the deliverables? An update of the packages only? Or only some packages?
An update of the common Simultaneous Release repository? Or something else?
Thanks, Markus
On 20 Mar 2014 09:29, "Mickael Istria" <mistria@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
It tend to agree with it. Java 8 is something big that we (as tool developers
in general) should encourage people to adopt. So it's IMO worth making
an exception to the release train and try to get a SR3 that supports it
Java 8 out-of-the-box.
--
Mickael Istria
Eclipse developer at JBoss,
by Red Hat
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