Re: [cdt-dev] Is there interest in a rewritten managed build?

["Waterlander, Erwin" <erwin.waterlander@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi,

The Managed Build project is like the traditional IDE where you have full GUI support for setting compiler and linker flags and so on. The traditional IDE can generate a Make file or another build script for you. 

If you look at the top trending C/C++ projects at github you see that the trend is to move away from this. People manage a (C)Make file by hand. There is no need for GUI help.
The main reason for using an 'IDE' is the code navigation, smart editing, and a debugger GUI. Visual Studio Code satisfies these needs and became very popular.

A big advantage of the new way of working is that it seamlessly fits working on the command line and continuous integration flows. For teams this is a big plus. One user can use IDE, the other CLI. And the regressions use the same (C)Make files.

CDT's answer to this trend is the Core Build flow. I think it is better to invest in Core Build flow than in Managed Build. Core Build flow should *not* be turned into a new Managed Build. It has to stay lean and mean. We need to get the Core Build Makefile Project out of the 'experimental' state. I think that is the best replacement for the current Managed Build.

Regards,

-- 
Erwin Waterlander                                                 Intel
erwin.waterlander@intel
http://www.intel.com/                                   The Netherlands

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cdt-dev <cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Christian
> Walther
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 18:08
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> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Is there interest in a rewritten managed build?
> 
> jan <jan@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > Therefore I would like to know whether there is interest in this?
> 
> Speaking as a downstream integrator who is using managed build, my
> tentative answer is: Probably not, from us.
> 
> While managed build is complicated and quirky, it mostly does what we
> need, and where it doesn’t, we have patches and workarounds in place. It‘s
> all a big, organically grown mess (some of our early decisions turned out
> questionable in hindsight), but it works. I am skeptical whether transplanting
> that mess onto a rewritten base would be worth the effort. What you design
> to address your gripes will not necessarily also address our gripes, at the
> same time I do not have time to contribute to designing a system that
> addresses everyone’s gripes.
> 
> What happened to the efforts to build a new managed build system based
> on core build anyway? (Where I confess I never contributed either.)
> 
>  -Christian
> 
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