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Re: [cdt-dev] Updates for 9.0
On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Jonah Graham <jonah@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks for the info. Just to be clear I was talking about users
installing CDT from http://download.eclipse.org/releases/neon (which
appears in the list of update sites already populated) as opposed to
http://download.eclipse.org/tools/cdt/[...]. That has always been the
way I installed CDT in the past, normally starting with Eclipse for
Committers and adding everything else I normally use (I can't imagine
an IDE that doesn't support C/Java/Python fully from the same
instance, where is my EPP package for that ;-)

Oh, yes, that site is already always enabled. There's just no mechanism for us to get maintenance updates there. And by that I mean, if we want to put a maintenance update out July 1, we need to be able to do that. We can only do that from our tools/cdt site.

As for the Uber IDE, I'm afraid we'd have to do that outside Eclipse. Python, for example, isn't an Eclipse project so can't be downloaded from there other than through the Marketplace. Be awesome to figure a way though. :)

Doug.
 

Jonah
~~~
Jonah Graham
Kichwa Coders Ltd.
www.kichwacoders.com


On 4 June 2016 at 16:40, Doug Schaefer <cdtdoug@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Jonah Graham <jonah@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> > We don't have to do turn it on in our main feature since that would
>> > affect all adopters, but I'd like to turn it on in our EPP. Any thoughts on
>> > that?
>>
>> +1 on this.
>>
>> What happens if a user downloads (e.g.) Eclipse for Java and then
>> installs CDT for the Neon update site? Will that cause CDT update site
>> to become enabled too? I think it is desirable if it does.
>
>
> No. We can't tell when users install from the CDT site whether it's a real
> user or a vendor's build machine building a product that includes the CDT
> (like our machine at QNX :)).
>
> And I'd like to direct users away from CDT's update site, and really the p2
> install UI, as much as possible. The experience is tough.
>
> What I'd like to do instead is create an Eclipse Marketplace entry for the
> Eclipse IDE for C++ that includes all the features we put into the EPP
> package. And we'll make sure the CDT site is enabled after that. We should
> be able to install that into any other package.
>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jonah
>> ~~~
>> Jonah Graham
>> Kichwa Coders Ltd.
>> www.kichwacoders.com
>>
>>
>> On 4 June 2016 at 16:03, Doug Schaefer <cdtdoug@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Thanks Marc. There's been discussion about this at the planning council
>> > level. There are vendors out there that want to be more diligent in what
>> > updates they put out to their customers. As such it's better to give
>> > them
>> > the choice if they want updates or not from upstream sources.
>> >
>> > :D
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 9:02 AM, Marc Khouzam <marc.khouzam@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> +1
>> >>
>> >> What is the drawback of we turned it on for all CDT installations? Odds
>> >> are we will not put a new build on that update site but if we do it
>> >> will
>> >> mean it is very important.  We should probably have such a build only
>> >> contain the exact essential fix we need and nothing more to keep risk
>> >> low.
>> >>
>> >> Just curious.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: Doug Schaefer <cdtdoug@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Jun 3, 2016 13:55
>> >> To: CDT General developers list.
>> >> Subject: [cdt-dev] Updates for 9.0
>> >>
>> >> Hey gang,
>> >>
>> >> We currently enter our update site URL into the list of available sites
>> >> but we disable it. I want to be in a position where if we have
>> >> emergency
>> >> fixes to get out before September, I'd like to be able to do that and
>> >> only
>> >> have the user "Check for Updates" to get it. My testing this week
>> >> showed we
>> >> have some real rough spots where testing has been pretty light, Windows
>> >> in
>> >> particular. And if users run into real problems I don't want to tell
>> >> them to
>> >> wait until September.
>> >>
>> >> We don't have to do turn it on in our main feature since that would
>> >> affect
>> >> all adopters, but I'd like to turn it on in our EPP. Any thoughts on
>> >> that?
>> >>
>> >> Doug.
>> >>
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