Re: [cdt-dev] FW: New topic in forum C / C++ IDE (CDT), called Why can't

[Michael Scharf <Michael-Scharf@xxxxxx>]

For beginners something like Qt Creator may be more useful than
eclipse CDT. Installation is trivial and it works out of the box.
Well, OK, you have to have a fast finger on Ctrl-S because Qt Creator
crashes quite often is is much less capable than CDT, but it just
works. And as a beginner that is what counts....

Michael

On 2015-10-21 5:19, Doug Schaefer wrote:
> The request I was referring to was to "take pity on beginning C++ programmers". When they install the C++ IDE for Eclipse it should just work, right out of the box. It should make sure a toolchain is installed so they don't need to learn
> what a toolchain is. That feeling they have frustrated by Eclipse is something that will stick with this poor student forever and that impacts they're perception of Eclipse for C++ as they enter the workforce.
> 
> It's comments like theirs that make me want to rip the C++ IDE off of the Eclipse download site. It's horrible for true beginners. We can do better.
> 
> Doug.
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> *Subject:* Re: [cdt-dev] FW: New topic in forum C / C++ IDE (CDT), called Why can't it "just work"?, by Rob Lewis
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> So use clang on Mac or some-how redistribute gcc?
> We can also generate code using our indexer :) I am sure hello world we can manage.
> They also want managed build which we are trying to kill... "The symbol could not be resolved" is because from missing a library
> and unless we managing the build we cannot help them.
> But yes it would be awesome if toolchain and builder comes with CDT and you don't even know it exists.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx <mailto:dschaefer@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>     This is an awesome request.
> 
>     From: "forums-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:forums-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxx>" <forums-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:forums-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>     Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 10:40 AM
>     To: Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx <mailto:dschaefer@xxxxxxx>>
>     Subject: New topic in forum C / C++ IDE (CDT), called Why can't it "just work"?, by Rob Lewis
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>         *Subject:* Why can't it "just work"? 	*Author:* Rob Lewis 	*Date:* Tue, 20 October 2015 14:40
>         My son began his CS education writing Java with Eclipse. I've actively followed his progress, in part to update my own programming knowledge.
> 
>         Now he (we) have moved on to C++, and after installing the CDT, Eclipse's ease of setup and use seem to have ended in a morass of confusing options and obscure (and apparently wrong) settings that prevent writing and running the
>         simplest of programs without hours of often fruitless research trying to figure out what needs to be changed ("The symbol cout could not be resolved"? Really? What, please, is a "toolchain"? Could we get a more helpful error message
>         than "syntax error"?)
> 
>         All these options and settings might be valuable to very senior programmers who appreciate such fine-grained control of their IDE, but it seems to me there is a great need for a Mac student-level C++ package that "just works"
>         without all the drama. (I actually don't know if other OS versions of Eclipse have the same problems, but I suspect they may.)
> 
>         Is there any possibility that Eclipse's developers will take pity on beginning C++ programmers?
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