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Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011

There is only 10 ppl signed up, are we still doing it? Can people make
it on these dates below?

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Alena Laskavaia
<elaskavaia.cdt@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> We booked Sept 21-23 (Wed-Fri)
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Alena Laskavaia
> <elaskavaia.cdt@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> The largest room I can book in RIM is for 25 people. Assuming this
>> would be in Ottawa, Mid-End September can you please update wiki page
>> to see would go, so I can count.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Marc Khouzam
>> <marc.khouzam@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Thanks Elena, that would be great.
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alena Laskavaia
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 11:26 AM
>>>> To: CDT General developers list.
>>>> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>>>
>>>> I will talk to RIM about face-to-face in September (Ottawa), if
>>>> anybody is still interested
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Marc Khouzam
>>>> <marc.khouzam@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> > So we all agree that we need two things:
>>>> > 1- some type of planning meeting in September
>>>> > 2- a face-to-face meeting at some point
>>>> >
>>>> > Up to now, no one has stepped-up to organize a face-to-face
>>>> in September (or
>>>> > another time).
>>>> > (Doing it at Ericsson was a lot of work for me last year so
>>>> I like the
>>>> > EclipseCon idea better).
>>>> > Unless Chris thinks it can be done at IBM...
>>>> >
>>>> > So I suggest we try to plan the face-to-face for EclipseCon
>>>> or else we might
>>>> > not have a face-to-face
>>>> > at all.  Note that the OSGi DevCon has been doing the same
>>>> for some time.
>>>> >
>>>> > Last year, the multi-core debug meeting was a big success.
>>>> However, having
>>>> > only one timeslot
>>>> > left me with the feeling of unfinished business.  I think
>>>> we should plan for
>>>> > two days and have a
>>>> > detailed agenda, people can then decide if they want stay
>>>> for the full two
>>>> > days or not.
>>>> >
>>>> > Sunday-Monday is the option that allows us to be in the best shape.
>>>> > Thursday-Friday avoids having to work on the weekend.
>>>> > Sunday-Friday does not overlap with EclipseCon, but will be
>>>> exhausting
>>>> > We can try to figure out what the community likes best on the wiki.
>>>> >
>>>> > The nice thing about all this is that it is very low
>>>> risk/effort.  It is
>>>> > almost a freebie with EclipseCon.
>>>> >
>>>> > What is somewhat urgent is knowing which days we could get
>>>> a big enough room
>>>> > at EclipseCon.
>>>> > It does not matter which days we prefer if we can't get a
>>>> room (and a
>>>> > projector) for those days.
>>>> >
>>>> > Doug, as the puppet master this year :-) can you tell us
>>>> which days would be
>>>> > best for a room (or two)?
>>>> > I can then update the wiki to see what the community
>>>> response will be.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks
>>>> >
>>>> > Marc
>>>> >
>>>> > ________________________________
>>>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
>>>> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 4:46 PM
>>>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>>>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>>> >
>>>> > Sure, we can offer up the options.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > I plan on being very busy at EclipseCon, though, and will
>>>> not attend full
>>>> > day sessions for CDT. But you don't need me there for the
>>>> whole thing.
>>>> > Everything I need to participate in will happen in September.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Doug.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> > Behalf Of Dominique Toupin
>>>> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 4:32 PM
>>>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>>>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > I agree that we might be tired on Friday, however people
>>>> might prefer to do
>>>> > that instead of having a second trip.
>>>> >
>>>> > We can also investigate other options like Sun-Mon (like
>>>> the IBM Rational
>>>> > conf :-).
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Maybe we can put the different options (Thu-Fri, Sun-Mon,
>>>> Sun and Thu) on
>>>> > the wiki and see what the developers prefer.
>>>> >
>>>> > The last summit was 3 days and we had to close the
>>>> registration because too
>>>> > many people wanted to come, we will have plenty of things
>>>> to discuss for at
>>>> > least 2 days.
>>>> >
>>>> > Having just a few hours doesn't seem to be enough.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ________________________________
>>>> >
>>>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
>>>> > Sent: 18-Jul-11 15:56
>>>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>>>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>>> >
>>>> > I dunno, I still have the mental scars from our last
>>>> attempt at a EcilpseCon
>>>> > Friday meeting (way burned out by then).
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > But I will have a pretty big room if tradition holds and
>>>> will throw a CDT
>>>> > party some time during the week J.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Doug.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> > Behalf Of Marc Khouzam
>>>> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 3:30 PM
>>>> > To: 'CDT General developers list.'
>>>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > The idea of an eSummit in September is probably the easiest
>>>> way to get the
>>>> > plan done for Juno and get things started.
>>>> >
>>>> > I like that.  But I also agree that the face-to-face part
>>>> is very valuable.
>>>> > So, the idea of having the same type of
>>>> >
>>>> > meeting as last year, but co-located with EclipseCon,
>>>> sounds great to me.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > From what we saw in previous years, we need enough time to
>>>> discuss the many
>>>> > different topics, and to allow
>>>> >
>>>> > people to find their common interests and see how they can
>>>> collaborate
>>>> > together.  And we also need
>>>> >
>>>> > time for deep dives such as multi-core, build, codan, etc.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Co-locating a full CDT Summit with EclipseCon
>>>> (Thursday/Friday) only extends
>>>> > the trip by one day, and we get the full
>>>> >
>>>> > benefit of a face-face event.  And organization will be
>>>> much easier :-)  It
>>>> > may also help some people justify going to
>>>> >
>>>> > EclipseCon as a two-in-one trip.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > So, couldn't we plan a two-day face-to-face CDT Summit on
>>>> the Thursday and
>>>> > Friday of EclipseCon?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Marc
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ________________________________
>>>> >
>>>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
>>>> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 2:58 PM
>>>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>>>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>>> >
>>>> > Yes, I wasn't talking about replacing the face to face,
>>>> just having that
>>>> > component at EclipseCon. I tend to meet more new community
>>>> members at
>>>> > EclipseCon than the CDT Summit anyway.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > We do need to have a plan in place by the end of September
>>>> (and the Eclipse
>>>> > board would actually prefer we have it earlier, but we get
>>>> some leeway
>>>> > there), and should have interactive meetings on the issues
>>>> we need to
>>>> > address and new features that feed into that plan. And it's
>>>> pretty much a
>>>> > given now that not every committer is able to make a summit
>>>> anyway, I think
>>>> > an eSummit would fill our needs. And next year, if someone
>>>> wants to hold it
>>>> > and organize early, we can try again at a full summit.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > :D
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> > Behalf Of Marc-Andre Laperle
>>>> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 2:45 PM
>>>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>>>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > March 26-29 is really late in the development cycle. To me,
>>>> the summit
>>>> > should be about planning Juno, discussing architecture,
>>>> potential solutions
>>>> > to hard problems we want fixed in Juno.
>>>> >
>>>> > On 11-07-18 2:22 PM, Dominique Toupin wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Replacing a 3 days face to face summit by an online meeting
>>>> will not benefit
>>>> > the community, I think its very good if we can keep the
>>>> face to face event.
>>>> >
>>>> > Many people dial-in but they typically work on something
>>>> else, we do not
>>>> > have the evening/lunch event when people can discuss further, etc.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Looking at other open source projects/foundations they do a lot of
>>>> > co-located events (e.g LinuxCon and Tracing Summit), I had
>>>> a quick chat with
>>>> > Ian from the Eclipse Foundation, he thinks it's a good idea
>>>> to co-locate the
>>>> > summit with EclipseCon, possibly Thursday/Friday as long as
>>>> we plan ahead to
>>>> > ensure we have a conf room available at
>>>> http://reston.hyatt.com (as program
>>>> > chair, I am sure you can make it happen).
>>>> >
>>>> > Co-locating with EclipseCon has a few benefits:
>>>> >
>>>> >  - Less travel (EclipseCon + Summit same place/date)
>>>> >
>>>> >  - No sponsors/funding to find
>>>> >
>>>> >  - No local logistics (room, special events, lunch, dinner, etc.)
>>>> >
>>>> >  - more developers are likely to come
>>>> >
>>>> >  - Reston is 8.5 hours drive from Toronto
>>>> >
>>>> >  - etc.
>>>> >
>>>> > The only down side I see is it's not a good timing to plan
>>>> for the next
>>>> > release so we could do as you suggested i.e. an online
>>>> meeting in September
>>>> > but hopefully a short one maybe half a day to start and
>>>> then we can see if
>>>> > we need extra ones for specific topics e.g. multi-core debug.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Co-locating with EclipseCon seems quite future proof to me,
>>>> what do you
>>>> > think?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ________________________________
>>>> >
>>>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
>>>> > Sent: 18-Jul-11 11:24
>>>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>>>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>>> >
>>>> > I agree. The time is pretty short to organize a full blown summit in
>>>> > September. But, we still need to have planning meetings to
>>>> set the agenda
>>>> > for CDT in Juno.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > What I'd like to propose is an eSummit instead using a
>>>> conference bridge and
>>>> > Webex. I was thinking of a block of four hours running
>>>> noon-3 Ottawa time
>>>> > (give or take), which allows for evening in Europe and morning in
>>>> > California. We could start with two days like that and
>>>> expand if needed.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > I would then propose that we have a CDT get-together at
>>>> EclipseCon next
>>>> > March. We had a really nice multi-core meeting last year
>>>> and could do that
>>>> > for CDT in general. We could do it for a couple of hours
>>>> and be separate
>>>> > from the BOF which is a more open meeting.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > What do you think?
>>>> >
>>>> > Doug.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> > Behalf Of Dominique Toupin
>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:06 AM
>>>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>>>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Doug,
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > It's not easy to plan/organize the CDT summit in the middle
>>>> of summer for a
>>>> > date in Sept/Oct:
>>>> >
>>>> >  - many people are on vacation, it's hard to get developers
>>>> to register;
>>>> >
>>>> >  - organizing the logistic in the middle of summer was not
>>>> easy for us last
>>>> > year again because of many people on vacations and it was
>>>> hard to get big
>>>> > conf room for Sept;
>>>> >
>>>> >  - in July many people are already booked for business trips in the
>>>> > fall e.g. myself, Elena, Marc, etc. if know more in
>>>> advanced it will be
>>>> > easier to plan around the summit date;
>>>> >
>>>> >  - fall is a busy time of the year for many people,
>>>> May/June is the Eclipse
>>>> > release crunch and March is EclipseCon...;
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > To get more developers to join the summit we could either:
>>>> >
>>>> >  - do the plan/organization after the Eclipse release and
>>>> held the summit in
>>>> > Dec/Jan
>>>> >
>>>> >  - do the plan/org in May and held the summit in Sept/Oct
>>>> >
>>>> >  - looking back at last March EclipseCon we could
>>>> investigate if we can do
>>>> > it Thursday and Friday
>>>> > (http://www.eclipsecon.org/2011/program/?programdate=2011-03-24)
>>>> >
>>>> >  - we could even investigate if we can do it together with
>>>> the GCC summit
>>>> > (http://www.gccsummit.org)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Best Regards,
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Dominique
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ________________________________
>>>> >
>>>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
>>>> > Sent: 8-Jul-11 14:20
>>>> > To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> > Subject: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>>> >
>>>> > Hey gang,
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Just a reminder to sign up for CDT Summit 2011 at
>>>> > http://wiki.eclipse.org/CDT/summitfall2011. Notice a few
>>>> signed up already.
>>>> > The more that show interest, the more we'll realize we
>>>> really need to have
>>>> > one again J.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers,
>>>> >
>>>> > Doug.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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