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Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011

That would be great. Thanks Alena.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Alena Laskavaia
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 11:26 AM
> To: CDT General developers list.
> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> 
> I will talk to RIM about face-to-face in September (Ottawa), if anybody is still
> interested
> 
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Marc Khouzam
> <marc.khouzam@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > So we all agree that we need two things:
> > 1- some type of planning meeting in September
> > 2- a face-to-face meeting at some point
> >
> > Up to now, no one has stepped-up to organize a face-to-face in
> > September (or another time).
> > (Doing it at Ericsson was a lot of work for me last year so I like the
> > EclipseCon idea better).
> > Unless Chris thinks it can be done at IBM...
> >
> > So I suggest we try to plan the face-to-face for EclipseCon or else we
> > might not have a face-to-face at all.  Note that the OSGi DevCon has
> > been doing the same for some time.
> >
> > Last year, the multi-core debug meeting was a big success.  However,
> > having only one timeslot left me with the feeling of unfinished
> > business.  I think we should plan for two days and have a detailed
> > agenda, people can then decide if they want stay for the full two days
> > or not.
> >
> > Sunday-Monday is the option that allows us to be in the best shape.
> > Thursday-Friday avoids having to work on the weekend.
> > Sunday-Friday does not overlap with EclipseCon, but will be exhausting
> > We can try to figure out what the community likes best on the wiki.
> >
> > The nice thing about all this is that it is very low risk/effort.  It
> > is almost a freebie with EclipseCon.
> >
> > What is somewhat urgent is knowing which days we could get a big
> > enough room at EclipseCon.
> > It does not matter which days we prefer if we can't get a room (and a
> > projector) for those days.
> >
> > Doug, as the puppet master this year :-) can you tell us which days
> > would be best for a room (or two)?
> > I can then update the wiki to see what the community response will be.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Marc
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 4:46 PM
> > To: CDT General developers list.
> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> >
> > Sure, we can offer up the options.
> >
> >
> >
> > I plan on being very busy at EclipseCon, though, and will not attend
> > full day sessions for CDT. But you don't need me there for the whole thing.
> > Everything I need to participate in will happen in September.
> >
> >
> >
> > Doug.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Dominique Toupin
> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 4:32 PM
> > To: CDT General developers list.
> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree that we might be tired on Friday, however people might prefer
> > to do that instead of having a second trip.
> >
> > We can also investigate other options like Sun-Mon (like the IBM
> > Rational conf :-).
> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe we can put the different options (Thu-Fri, Sun-Mon, Sun and Thu)
> > on the wiki and see what the developers prefer.
> >
> > The last summit was 3 days and we had to close the registration
> > because too many people wanted to come, we will have plenty of things
> > to discuss for at least 2 days.
> >
> > Having just a few hours doesn't seem to be enough.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
> > Sent: 18-Jul-11 15:56
> > To: CDT General developers list.
> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> >
> > I dunno, I still have the mental scars from our last attempt at a
> > EcilpseCon Friday meeting (way burned out by then).
> >
> >
> >
> > But I will have a pretty big room if tradition holds and will throw a
> > CDT party some time during the week J.
> >
> >
> >
> > Doug.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Marc Khouzam
> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 3:30 PM
> > To: 'CDT General developers list.'
> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> >
> >
> >
> > The idea of an eSummit in September is probably the easiest way to get
> > the plan done for Juno and get things started.
> >
> > I like that.  But I also agree that the face-to-face part is very valuable.
> > So, the idea of having the same type of
> >
> > meeting as last year, but co-located with EclipseCon, sounds great to me.
> >
> >
> >
> > From what we saw in previous years, we need enough time to discuss the
> > many different topics, and to allow
> >
> > people to find their common interests and see how they can collaborate
> > together.  And we also need
> >
> > time for deep dives such as multi-core, build, codan, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > Co-locating a full CDT Summit with EclipseCon (Thursday/Friday) only
> > extends the trip by one day, and we get the full
> >
> > benefit of a face-face event.  And organization will be much easier
> > :-)  It may also help some people justify going to
> >
> > EclipseCon as a two-in-one trip.
> >
> >
> >
> > So, couldn't we plan a two-day face-to-face CDT Summit on the Thursday
> > and Friday of EclipseCon?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 2:58 PM
> > To: CDT General developers list.
> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> >
> > Yes, I wasn't talking about replacing the face to face, just having
> > that component at EclipseCon. I tend to meet more new community
> > members at EclipseCon than the CDT Summit anyway.
> >
> >
> >
> > We do need to have a plan in place by the end of September (and the
> > Eclipse board would actually prefer we have it earlier, but we get
> > some leeway there), and should have interactive meetings on the issues
> > we need to address and new features that feed into that plan. And it's
> > pretty much a given now that not every committer is able to make a
> > summit anyway, I think an eSummit would fill our needs. And next year,
> > if someone wants to hold it and organize early, we can try again at a full
> summit.
> >
> >
> >
> > :D
> >
> >
> >
> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Marc-Andre Laperle
> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 2:45 PM
> > To: CDT General developers list.
> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> >
> >
> >
> > March 26-29 is really late in the development cycle. To me, the summit
> > should be about planning Juno, discussing architecture, potential
> > solutions to hard problems we want fixed in Juno.
> >
> > On 11-07-18 2:22 PM, Dominique Toupin wrote:
> >
> > Replacing a 3 days face to face summit by an online meeting will not
> > benefit the community, I think its very good if we can keep the face to face
> event.
> >
> > Many people dial-in but they typically work on something else, we do
> > not have the evening/lunch event when people can discuss further, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > Looking at other open source projects/foundations they do a lot of
> > co-located events (e.g LinuxCon and Tracing Summit), I had a quick
> > chat with Ian from the Eclipse Foundation, he thinks it's a good idea
> > to co-locate the summit with EclipseCon, possibly Thursday/Friday as
> > long as we plan ahead to ensure we have a conf room available at
> > http://reston.hyatt.com (as program chair, I am sure you can make it
> happen).
> >
> > Co-locating with EclipseCon has a few benefits:
> >
> >  - Less travel (EclipseCon + Summit same place/date)
> >
> >  - No sponsors/funding to find
> >
> >  - No local logistics (room, special events, lunch, dinner, etc.)
> >
> >  - more developers are likely to come
> >
> >  - Reston is 8.5 hours drive from Toronto
> >
> >  - etc.
> >
> > The only down side I see is it's not a good timing to plan for the
> > next release so we could do as you suggested i.e. an online meeting in
> > September but hopefully a short one maybe half a day to start and then
> > we can see if we need extra ones for specific topics e.g. multi-core debug.
> >
> >
> >
> > Co-locating with EclipseCon seems quite future proof to me, what do
> > you think?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
> > Sent: 18-Jul-11 11:24
> > To: CDT General developers list.
> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> >
> > I agree. The time is pretty short to organize a full blown summit in
> > September. But, we still need to have planning meetings to set the
> > agenda for CDT in Juno.
> >
> >
> >
> > What I'd like to propose is an eSummit instead using a conference
> > bridge and Webex. I was thinking of a block of four hours running
> > noon-3 Ottawa time (give or take), which allows for evening in Europe
> > and morning in California. We could start with two days like that and
> expand if needed.
> >
> >
> >
> > I would then propose that we have a CDT get-together at EclipseCon
> > next March. We had a really nice multi-core meeting last year and
> > could do that for CDT in general. We could do it for a couple of hours
> > and be separate from the BOF which is a more open meeting.
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Doug.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Dominique Toupin
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:06 AM
> > To: CDT General developers list.
> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Doug,
> >
> >
> >
> > It's not easy to plan/organize the CDT summit in the middle of summer
> > for a date in Sept/Oct:
> >
> >  - many people are on vacation, it's hard to get developers to
> > register;
> >
> >  - organizing the logistic in the middle of summer was not easy for us
> > last year again because of many people on vacations and it was hard to
> > get big conf room for Sept;
> >
> >  - in July many people are already booked for business trips in the
> > fall e.g. myself, Elena, Marc, etc. if know more in advanced it will
> > be easier to plan around the summit date;
> >
> >  - fall is a busy time of the year for many people, May/June is the
> > Eclipse release crunch and March is EclipseCon...;
> >
> >
> >
> > To get more developers to join the summit we could either:
> >
> >  - do the plan/organization after the Eclipse release and held the
> > summit in Dec/Jan
> >
> >  - do the plan/org in May and held the summit in Sept/Oct
> >
> >  - looking back at last March EclipseCon we could investigate if we
> > can do it Thursday and Friday
> > (http://www.eclipsecon.org/2011/program/?programdate=2011-03-24)
> >
> >  - we could even investigate if we can do it together with the GCC
> > summit
> > (http://www.gccsummit.org)
> >
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Dominique
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
> > Sent: 8-Jul-11 14:20
> > To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> >
> > Hey gang,
> >
> >
> >
> > Just a reminder to sign up for CDT Summit 2011 at
> > http://wiki.eclipse.org/CDT/summitfall2011. Notice a few signed up
> already.
> > The more that show interest, the more we'll realize we really need to
> > have one again J.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Doug.
> >
> >
> >
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