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[cdt-dev] Re: [dsdp-dd-dev] RE: CDT Summit?

Title: CDT Summit?
Thanks Dominique,
Yes, we would like to host the meeting at the Wind River office in Ottawa.  I will post location information on the meeting page.

Cheers
Pawel

Dominique Toupin (QA/EMC) wrote:
 
We concluded this morning in the DSDP/DD monthly meeting that we will do it Monday. We did our traveling arrangement accordingly.
For the location I don't have any preferences QNX or WindRiver office in Ottawa are fine with me, Pawel do you have a preferences?
 


From: Doug Schaefer [mailto:DSchaefer@xxxxxxx]
Sent: August 9, 2007 11:21 AM
To: Device Debugging developer discussions; Dominique Toupin (QA/EMC); Piech, Pawel; Doug Schaefer
Cc: Francois Chouinard (QA/EMC); CDT General developers list.; Veenu Verma (AS/EAB)
Subject: RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] RE: CDT Summit?

That sounds like a great idea Dominique. I think it would be great if we could have it on Monday so that we can communicate the results to the CDT crowd later in the week. I’d be happy to host this at the QNX headquarters.

 

Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
Eclipse CDT Project Lead, http://cdtdoug.blogspot.com


From: dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gaff, Doug
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 10:25 AM
To: Dominique Toupin (QA/EMC); Piech, Pawel; Doug Schaefer
Cc: Francois Chouinard (QA/EMC); CDT General developers list.; Device Debugging developer discussions; Veenu Verma (AS/EAB)
Subject: RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] RE: CDT Summit?

 

Pawel - I think your plan makes sense.  I believe it meets the Ericsson commiters’ needs, too.

 

Doug S – Does this work for you at the CDT summit?

 

From: Dominique Toupin (QA/EMC) [mailto:dominique.toupin@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:09 AM
To: Piech, Pawel; Doug Schaefer; Gaff, Doug
Cc: Device Debugging developer discussions; CDT General developers list.; Francois Chouinard (QA/EMC); Veenu Verma (AS/EAB); Marc Khouzam (QA/EMC)
Subject: RE: [dsdp-dd-dev] RE: CDT Summit?

 

Hi,

 

I was thinking of doing a coding camp where DSF committers could resolve outstanding issues with existing services, discuss implementation details of new services and do some coding.

This coding camp could be an extra day (Monday or Friday), everyone interested in coding are welcome.

During the CDT Summit we can do a demo of DSF/MI and cover the topics mention by Pawel below.

 

/Dominique

 


From: Pawel Piech [mailto:pawel.piech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: August 8, 2007 8:20 PM
To: Doug Schaefer
Cc: Device Debugging developer discussions; Dominique Toupin (QA/EMC); CDT General developers list.; Francois Chouinard (QA/EMC); Veenu Verma (AS/EAB)
Subject: Re: [dsdp-dd-dev] RE: CDT Summit?

I think it would be excellent if we could spend more time on in the summit on debugging and as long as there's a receptive audience we could talk about DSF architecture and the MI implementation pretty much indefinitely :-).

However, what Dominique is asking for is not so much a presentation/discussion session, but rather a coding camp in model of what we had in California in May.  There we spent the first day in white board discussions about architecture and after that we spent three days split into groups to work on specific coding exercises stopping along the way to answer questions.  We obviously won't have time for such an exercise during the CDT summit, but since we are all going to be at the same location we're trying to take advantage of that to accelerate some of the DSF/MI development. 

Perhaps the best thing to do would be to use the time at the conference to cover these topics in order and as time allows:

  1. Demo DSF/MI implementation
  2. Discuss integration between DSF and CDI and the UI presentation
  3. Any general Debugging UI workflow improvments, which could span Platform, CDT, and TM
  4. DSF architecture using code walk-throughs and Q&A

Then on Friday after the conference we could have an additional day of mini-coding camp to talk about specific problems in the DSF/MI reference implementation.  We could host this last day at the Wind River Ottawa office and have it open to anyone interested.

Cheers,
Pawel

Doug Schaefer wrote:

I think we’ve done enough work on build and core in CDT 4.0 to last a lifetime. I don’t anticipate needing much discussion on that at this year’s summit, certainly not ¾ of it.

The time has come to spend a lot more time on debug and make sure we address the deficiencies we have with the user experience and to have a road map for new debugger integrations that come along. In other words, we need to find a way out of this DSF versus CDI thing for the good of the community. But, before this can happen, people need to understand DSF, which with its high level of abstraction and use of generics has made that no easy task. So spending a whole day on it at the CDT summit, hopefully walking through the GDB/MI integration and dealing with other debug issues is not out of the question, and I actually believe it needs to happen.

Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
Eclipse CDT Project Lead, http://cdtdoug.blogspot.com


From: dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dsdp-dd-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gaff, Doug
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:39 AM
To: Piech, Pawel; Dominique Toupin (QA/EMC)
Cc: Francois Chouinard (QA/EMC); Veenu Verma (AS/EAB); Device Debugging developer discussions
Subject: [dsdp-dd-dev] RE: CDT Summit?

These emails need to be sent to the dd-dev list so that others who want to attend can comment.

I agree with Pawel that we use try to do this in conjunction with the CDT summit.  Whether it’s a parallel session or part of the CDT meeting depends on the topics to be covered, IMO.

Dominique – can you propose a list of items that you’d like to see covered?

From: Piech, Pawel
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 5:49 PM
To: Dominique Toupin (QA/EMC)
Cc: Gaff, Doug; Veenu Verma (AS/EAB); Francois Chouinard (QA/EMC); Marc Khouzam (QA/EMC)
Subject: Re: CDT Summit?

Hi Dominique,
Since Francois and Mark are already at location I think it definitely makes sense for us to have a workshop on DSF/GDB specifially.  But do you think we need an extra day, or would it be enough to set up a parallel session during the CDT summit.  Last year about 3/4 of the summit was on non debugger issues, so I could easily see us having a parallel session.  I'm only worried that some people (especially Doug S.) will say that they want to be included in any and all debugger discussions, so they may take exception to being left out.  Still, if you think a parallel session would be OK, we could propose to Doug S. and see what he thinks.

Cheers,
-Pawel

Dominique Toupin (QA/EMC) wrote:

Hi Pawel,

At the CDT Summit Sept 25-27 the second bullet on the agenda is the incorporation of DSF in CDT: http://wiki.eclipse.org/CDT/summitfall2007

I guess you will be attending?
Could we have a small face to face workshop for DSF/GDB implementation?

Dominique Toupin M.A.Sc., Eng.
Software Quality Assurance Manager
Group Function Technology
R&D PM&T, Software Design & Implementation
Ericsson
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