Re: [cdt-dev] Using nmake with managed builds

[Per Böckman <dev2null@xxxxxxxxx>]

I'm not sure exactly what problem you're trying to solve but you might
want to look at nmake inline files
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=""

in order to work around the 32K limit.

Regards,
Per

On 10/3/05, Alex Chapiro <achapiro@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Sounds strange. I tried nmake and got 32K length limit which is quite
enough for any reasonable project. I used VC++6.0 for testing.

vladchuk wrote:

>Alex Chapiro wrote:
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>>I'm using cygwin make and WinXP for testing, i.e. exactly the case we
>>discussed. It successfully accepts command line longer than 16K. I
>>guess the limit is 32K (I just was lazy to test it), which is, I
>>suppose, much more than any reasonable requirement. What I'm saying,
>>there is no problem of command line length limitation with GNU make on
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>>Windows environment. It still maybe exists for nmake.
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>>Recoskie, Chris wrote:
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>>>Yes, but of course YMMV depending on what make utility and OS you are
>>>using.
>>>
>>>You might find this tidbit I culled from the web interesting
>>>
>>>(http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/12/10/56028.aspx)
>>>
>>>What is the command line length limit?
>>>It depends on whom you ask.
>>>The maximum command line length for the CreateProcess function is
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>32767
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>>>characters. This limitation comes from the UNICODE_STRING structure.
>>>CreateProcess is the core function for creating processes, so if you
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>are
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>>>talking directly to Win32, then that's the only limit you have to
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>>>
>worry
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>>>about. But if you are reaching CreateProcess by some other means,
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>then
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>>>the path you travel through may have other limits.
>>>If you are using the CMD.EXE command processor, then you are also
>>>subject to the 8192 character command line length limit imposed by
>>>CMD.EXE.
>>>If you are using the ShellExecute/Ex function, then you become
>>>
>>>
>subject
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>>>to the INTERNET_MAX_URL_LENGTH (around 2048) command line length
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>limit
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>>>imposed by the ShellExecute/Ex functions. (If you are running on
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>Windows
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>>>95, then the limit is only MAX_PATH.)
>>>While I'm here, I may as well mention another limit: The maximum size
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>of
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>>>your environment is 32767 characters. The size of the environment
>>>includes the all the variable names plus all the values.
>>>Okay, but what if you want to pass more than 32767 characters of
>>>information to a process? You'll have to find something other than
>>>
>>>
>the
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>>>command line. We'll discuss some options tomorrow.
>>>
>>>___________________________________________
>>>
>>>Chris Recoskie
>>>Software Designer
>>>Texas Instruments, Toronto
>>> http://eclipse.org/cdt
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>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
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>[mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
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>>>On
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>>>>Behalf Of Alex Chapiro
>>>>Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 2:30 PM
>>>>To: CDT General developers list.
>>>>Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Using nmake with managed builds
>>>>
>>>>I included the following command into make file (WinXP) :
>>>>
>>>>gcc -c -D$(TTTTT) myFile.c
>>>>
>>>>where TTTTT contained 7000 characters and  launched it. File
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>myFile.c
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>>>>was successfully compiled. Are you talking about this command line?
>>>>
>>>>Recoskie, Chris wrote:
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>>>>>Like Mikhail says, the make utility (whether it's GNU make, nmake,
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>>>any
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>>>>>make-alike will do) issues the commands via the OS shell.  The OS
>>>>>
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>(in
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>>>>>this case, windows) will generally have a limitation on the length
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>of
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>>>a
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>>>>>command.
>>>>>
>>>>>Make and nmake themselves don't limit the length to my knowledge,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>but
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>>>>>when they try to invoke the command via the shell, it fails due to
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>the
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>>>>>length issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>___________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris Recoskie
>>>>>Software Designer
>>>>>Texas Instruments, Toronto
>>>>>http://eclipse.org/cdt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>[mailto: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>On
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Behalf Of Alex Chapiro
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 1:52 PM
>>>>>>To: CDT General developers list.
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Using nmake with managed builds
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you are talking about make command line, you can for example
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>instead
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>>of generating long command line , create temporary make file, fill
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>>>it
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>>>>>>with your command line arguments and add include Makefile at the
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>end
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>of
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>>>>>>it, then launch make --file=<tempFile>, then remove <tempFile>. If
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>>>you
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>>>>>>are taking about length limitation of commands in make file, I
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>don't
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>>>>>>know about it. Does it really exist?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sennikovsky, Mikhail wrote:
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>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cygwin make has also command length limitation, that actually has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>to
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>do
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>>>>>>>with the command length limitation on windows in general.
>>>>>>>Please see the bugzilla# 72965 related to this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>Mikhail
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>[mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Behalf Of vladchuk@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>To: Cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>Subject: [cdt-dev] Using nmake with managed builds
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Apparently, nmake  has a makefile command length limitation (is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>it
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>>>>>1024
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>>>>>>>chars?) so it is  impossible to use it with anything but trivial
>>>>>>>projects.
>>>>>>>Does anybody know  how toget around this problem?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>vladchuk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>Well, after reading all the responses and doing some investigation of my
>
>own it indeed appears that 8K (CMD shell limit) all we can get when
>using nmake.
>The solution is then (also suggested by Microsoft) to keep the paths as
>short as possible. I don't suppose it is possible to use any other shell
>
>with nmake.
>
>I wonder how MS gets around their own limitations when using nmake on
>large projects?
>
>vladchuk
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