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RE: [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
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Sounds like the preferred time is 4PM Thursday. I'll set up a bridge and
email it back to the list.
Regards,
Sebastien
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sumit Sarkar
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 5:25 PM
> To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
>
> Either time works for me.
>
> Thanks,
> sumit
>
>
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:13:12 -0500, Sebastien Marineau
> <sebastien@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > OK, thanks for the comments on this.
> >
> > How about we have a quick conf. call on Thursday, either at
> 12PM or 4PM EST?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Sebastien
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg Watson
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:44 AM
> > > To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
> > >
> > > From the point of view of the parallel tools platform,
> support for
> > > remote source and the ability to both build and launch
> remotely is
> > > something I think will be an important requirement in the future.
> > > I'd certainly be interested in discussing this issue.
> > >
> > > Greg Watson
> > > Advanced Computing Lab, Los Alamos National Laboratory
> > >
> > > On Jan 25, 2005, at 5:44 AM, Douglas Schaefer wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Mary,
> > > >
> > > > When we talk remote, we usually mean remote launching.
> Often this
> > > > requires remote build since cross compilers may not be
> > > available for
> > > > the target. We rarely see cases where the source is not
> available
> > > > locally, although I am well aware of scenarios where this
> > > architecture
> > > > is required. We can certainly add a discussion on this topic.
> > > >
> > > > Doug Schaefer
> > > > Ottawa Lab, IBM Rational Software Division
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mary Huang" <mary.huang@xxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by:
> > > > cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > 01/24/2005 02:03 PM
> > > > Please respond to
> > > > cdt-dev
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To
> > > > <cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > cc
> > > >
> > > > Subject
> > > > Re: [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't suppose that "Remote Development" includes the
> > > scenario where
> > > > the Eclipse IDE (with CDT) is local to the workstation, but
> > > the source
> > > > and the build environment is "remote" (i.e. on a
> totally different
> > > > system)?
> > > >
> > > > Mary
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Recoskie, Chris" <crecoskie@xxxxxx>
> > > > To: <cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 12:28 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Personally I think that for anyone not directly involved with
> > > >> this conversation there could be confusion as to what
> "remote" means.
> > > >> People
> > > >> might think that we're talking about running
> Eclipse/CDT with the
> > > >> debugger process itself or maybe even controlling the IDE
> > > running on
> > > >> another machine. When you say "embedded"
> > > development/debug everyone
> > > >> generally knows what you're talking about.
> > > >>
> > > >> A large part of the focus of the session is also not just
> > > on setting
> > > >> up a remote connection to the target but to the various
> > > requirements
> > > >> of debugging an embedded system in general, without
> even thinking
> > > >> about how one goes about connecting to the target. There is
> > > >> definitely an intersection between the two topics because
> > > >> embedded systems are usually remote systems (it's not
> too often
> > > >> that you're running your IDE on your remote system but hey, it
> > > >> could
> > > happen), but
> > > >> they are not the same.
> > > >>
> > > >> So, I don't mind changing the name if we come up with
> something
> > > >> suitable, but I don't think "CDT Remote Development and
> > > Debugging" is
> > > >> the solution as that loses a lot in translation.
> > > >>
> > > >> If we want to get together beforehand in a meeting I'm all
> > > for it if
> > > >> people want to. To be clear however, our idea though was to
> > > >> basically present our material and discuss it at the
> BOF and give
> > > >> others the chance to do the same with their own material. We
> > > >> were not planning to get together and come up with one big
> > > unified set of
> > > >> content to then present jointly at the BOF.
> > > >>
> > > >> Our thought regarding the theme was "What are the issues
> > > participants
> > > >> are having with using CDT for embedded development, and
> > > what could we
> > > >> start doing to improve things." We can add additional
> themes if
> > > >> people wish but that's the theme that we plan on addressing in
> > > >> our presentation and discussion.
> > > >>
> > > >> ___________________________________________
> > > >>
> > > >> Chris Recoskie
> > > >> Software Designer
> > > >> IDE Frameworks Group
> > > >> Texas Instruments, Toronto
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > >>> On Behalf Of Sebastien Marineau
> > > >>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 11:42 AM
> > > >>> To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>> Subject: RE: [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi Sumit,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Your suggestions are fine by me. TI, Montavista, others -- any
> > > >> comments?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> As for setting up a call -- I can do that. I'm
> assuming we want
> > > >>> to
> > > >> have
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> others participate as well, so what time would work best for
> > > >>> everyone?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Sebastien
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>> From: cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sumit Sarkar
> > > >>>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:42 PM
> > > >>>> To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>>> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at
> EclipseCon
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Hi Sebastien,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Instead of "Embedded Development and Debugging", we
> > > like to call
> > > >>>> it "CDT Remote Development and Debugging" - the 1st
> > > March BOF. Can
> > > >>>> we come up with a "BOF theme" - so that the
> participants get a
> > > >>>> "platform"
> > > >>>> to discuss about? Like what are the challenges a
> developer face
> > > >>>> when they try to develop on a Remote machine and then
> > > what are the
> > > >>>> solutions are being currently worked on.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Can we setup a meeting (may be next week) to discuss
> further on
> > > >>>> this BOF?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>> sumit
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:05:14 -0500, Sebastien Marineau
> > > >>>> <sebastien@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >>>>> Good catch -- that is indeed Tuesday the 28th :-)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> So here's where we are at for the BOFs:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Eclipse CDT BOF
> > > >>>>> Intel (20 min) - Leo Treggiari - Managed Build System
> > > >>>> overview Altera
> > > >>>>> (10-20 mins?) - Tracy Miranda - What Altera has
> been doing,
> > > >>>>> discussion on CDT features IBM (20 mins) - John Camelon -
> > > >>>> the latest
> > > >>>>> in cool parsing, and demo of the DOM viewer IBM (20
> > > mins) - Doug -
> > > >>>>> Demo of IBM C++/UML visualizer (built on CDT) QNX (15
> > > mins) - Dave
> > > >>>>> Inglis - Debug discussion
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Embedded development and debugging TI (20 mins) --
> > > Chris Recoskie
> > > >>>>> - demo, remote debugging issues Montavista (20 mins) -
> > > >>>>> Pierre-Alexandre Masse - current status on remote
> > > debug, ideas for
> > > >>>>> the future HP -- Sumit Sarkar - Remote development?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> In terms of other participation, how about WindRiver,
> > > >>>> Timesys, Redhat,
> > > >>>>> Rockwell, others?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Sebastien
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>>> From: cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>>>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > > Pierre-Alexandre
> > > >>>>>> Masse
> > > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:44 PM
> > > >>>>>> To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at
> > > >>>>>> EclipseCon
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Do you mean it will be a week without Tuesday then?
> > > >>>>>> Just kidding ;)
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Pierre-Alexandre
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Recoskie, Chris wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> 2005 isn't a leap year so doing a BOF on the 29^th may
> > > >>>>>> prove difficult
> > > >>>>>>> without a flux capacitor
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> ___________________________________________
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Chris Recoskie
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Software Designer
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> IDE Frameworks Group
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Texas Instruments, Toronto
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>>>> *From:* cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>>>>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > >>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Sebastien Marineau
> > > >>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:14 PM
> > > >>>>>>> *To:* cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>>>>>> *Subject:* [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at
> EclipseCon
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Hi folks,
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Concerning the BOFs, I did get information back from the
> > > >>>>>>> EclipseCon organizers -- please see the email from
> > > >>>> Bjorn further
> > > >>>>>>> below. The bottom line is that we have the freedom to
> > > >>>> organize our
> > > >>>>>>> own
> > > >>>>>> BOFs, as
> > > >>>>>>> well as set the schedule.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> To get the ball rolling, our original proposal was to hold
> > > >>>>>> 2 BOFs, as
> > > >>>>>>> listed below.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Eclipse CDT BOF:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Meet the experts and discuss the implementation and
> > > >>>>>> direction of CDT.
> > > >>>>>>> The format will likely be a series of mini-overviews on
> > > >>>> different
> > > >>>>>>> aspects of CDT along with open discussions.Intel, IBM, QNX
> > > >>>>>> and Redhat
> > > >>>>>>> have volunteered to present here. We will also
> try to get a
> > > >> few
> > > >>>>>>> customers to present their experiences.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Remote development and debugging BOF:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> TI, HP, Montavista and IBM have expressed strong interest
> > > >>>>>> in hosting
> > > >>>>>>> this. The main focus would be on the specific
> > > >>>> challenges of using
> > > >>>>>>> Eclipse and CDT in a host/target configuration, both for
> > > >>>>>> development
> > > >>>>>>> and debugging. This spans the range from deeply
> > > >>>> embedded (TI) to
> > > >>>>>>> traditional embedded (Mvista) to the server/mini types of
> > > >>>>>> apps (HP and
> > > >>>>>>> IBM). I also expect we can get a couple of customers to
> > > >>>>>> participate in
> > > >>>>>>> this as well.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> My suggestion is to schedule these for the Tuesday and
> > > >>>>>> Wednesday - the
> > > >>>>>>> general CDT BOF on Tuesday the 29th, and the remote
> > > >>>>>>> development/debugging BOF on Wednesday (March 1st).
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> As for the content, I do know that additional
> companies (e.g.
> > > >>>>>>> Windriver) have expressed interest in participating, so
> > > >>>>>> maybe we can
> > > >>>>>>> start by having everyone throw out what they'd like to
> > > >>>> contribute
> > > >>>>>>> (discussion topics, mini-presentations, demos etc) and
> > > >>>>>> we'll collect
> > > >>>>>>> it into the BOF "program".
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Cheers,
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Sebastien
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>> -
> > > >>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> *From:* Bjorn Freeman-Benson
> [mailto:bjorn@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > >>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:21 PM
> > > >>>>>>> *To:* 'Dwight Deugo'; sebastien@xxxxxxx
> > > >>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Sebastien,
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Please forward this clarification to the CDT mailing
> > > >>>>>> list - thank you.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> I, as the EclipseCon Organizing Chair / Final
> > > >>>> Arbitrar of All
> > > >>>>>>> Things EclipseCon, received a forwarded copy of
> > > >>>> this CDT mailing
> > > >>>>>>> list and I'd like to take the opportunity to set the
> > > >> record
> > > >>>>>>> straight / clarify the situation...
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Hello All,
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> While working out some issues with my registration
> > > >>>>>> I just got
> > > >>>>>>> word from Meeting Strategies Worldwide (they're
> > > >>>> doing the
> > > >>>>>>> registration etc for EclipseCon) that the
> > > >>>> decision on which
> > > >>>>>>> BOFs to go with will be made onsite. Yes, you read
> > > >>>>>> that right
> > > >>>>>>> - onsite on the day of.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> This means that if we want to do a BOF we
> will have
> > > >>>>>> to submit
> > > >>>>>>> our proposals yet again.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Relevant text quoted:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> **_I have just received word today that all BoF
> > > >>>> submissions
> > > >>>>>>> have been neither accepted nor rejected - all BoFs
> > > >>>>>> will now be
> > > >>>>>>> decided upon onsite at the conference. An email
> > > >>>> will be sent
> > > >>>>>>> very soon, to all people who have submitted BoFs
> > > >>>>>> detailing the
> > > >>>>>>> process for getting their BoF submitted onsite._**
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> It might be worthwhile to not rely on the
> EclipseCon
> > > >>>>>>> organizers for this and organize a BOF ourselves -
> > > >>>>>> does anyone
> > > >>>>>>> from the Bay area got some meeting space they
> > > >>>> could donate?
> > > >>>>>>> ;^)
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> We (and by this I mean the Singular We, i.e., me)
> > > >>>>>>> decided
> > > >> to
> > > >>>>>>> organize the BOFs at EclipseCon 2005 exactly the
> > > >>>> same way they
> > > >>>>>>> were run at EclipseCon 2004. We made this choice
> > > >>>> because it is
> > > >>>>>>> organizationally much simpler. Here's how it worked
> > > >>>>>> last year and
> > > >>>>>>> here's how it's going to work this year:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> * One goal for BOFs is to facilitate the informal
> > > >>>>>> gathering of
> > > >>>>>>> similarly interested attendees.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> * Another goal for BOFs is to make the process
> > > >>>> of gathering
> > > >>>>>>> for a BOF as simple as possible for everyone
> > > >> involved.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> * Another goal is to make best use of the
> > > >>>> meeting space we
> > > >>>>>>> have available. Thus we want to provide the
> > > >>>>>> larger rooms to
> > > >>>>>>> the BOFs with more people and the smaller
> > > >>>> rooms to those
> > > >>>>>>> with fewer people.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> * An explicit negative goal for BOFs is to prevent
> > > >>>>>> their being
> > > >>>>>>> hijacked by companies using them as
> > > >>>> advertising pitches.
> > > >>>>>>> Allowing BOFs to be pre-scheduled has, at other
> > > >>>>>> conferences,
> > > >>>>>>> allowed them to be taken over by
> marketing types.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> So, here's the process - it's very simple and I think
> > > >>>>>> you'll find
> > > >>>>>>> that it easily meets your needs as well our
> overall goals:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> 1. At EclipseCon there is a bulletin board. Beside
> > > >>>>>> the bulletin
> > > >>>>>>> board are blank sign-up sheets.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> 2. You arrive at the conference, you go to the
> > > >>>>>> bulletin board,
> > > >>>>>>> you take a sign-up sheet and write "CDT" in
> > > >>>> the title box.
> > > >>>>>>> You thumb tack it on the bulletin board.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> 3. During the day, interested people sign up on
> > > >>>> the sheets on
> > > >>>>>>> the board for the BOFs they are interested in.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> 4. At 5pm, the organizers (that's me or one of the
> > > >> other
> > > >>>>>>> volunteers) looks at the attendance of each
> > > >>>> of the BOFs on
> > > >>>>>>> the board and assigns them to rooms by
> writing, in
> > > >> big
> > > >>>>>>> letters, the room name (e.g., Seaside B) on the
> > > >> page.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> 5. After enjoying the free food at the reception
> > > >>>>>> that evening,
> > > >>>>>>> people wander by the bulletin board to learn
> > > >>>> which room
> > > >>>>>>> their BOF is assigned to.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> This process meets the goals:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> * People can decided to meet in a BOF in
> > > >>>> advance or at the
> > > >>>>>>> last minute. If you want to schedule it in
> > > >>>> advance, simple
> > > >>>>>>> agree amongst all your colleagues that you are
> > > >>>>>> going to have
> > > >>>>>>> a BOF on, say, Tuesday night. Put up a sign-up
> > > >> sheet,
> > > >>>>>>> sign-up, and get assigned a room. The BOF I'm
> > > >>>> involved in
> > > >>>>>>> (Language Toolkits and Universal IDEs) is doing
> > > >>>>>> exactly that
> > > >>>>>>> - see the announcement that Chris
> Laffra posted to
> > > >> the
> > > >>>>>>> eclipse.eclipsecon newsgroup.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> * Simple physical sheets of paper are
> easy. Without
> > > >>>>>> having to
> > > >>>>>>> write any complex programs, they allow us to
> > > >>>>>> easily allocate
> > > >>>>>>> rooms by size and they are easy for the people
> > > >>>>>> attending the
> > > >>>>>>> conference to sign up on and to read.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> * Allocating rooms at 5pm the day-of allows us
> > > >>>> to make the
> > > >>>>>>> best use of space. There are plenty of rooms,
> > > >>>> but some of
> > > >>>>>>> them are very small and I'd hate to have to
> > > >>>> pre-guess the
> > > >>>>>>> size of each BOF. I know I don't know
> whether CDT
> > > >>>>>> or WTP is
> > > >>>>>>> going to draw a larger crowd. This way
> we will know.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> * Not pre-scheduling BOFs prevents vendors from
> > > >>>>>> using them as
> > > >>>>>>> advertising rooms because they can't
> say "come by
> > > >>>>>> room X at
> > > >>>>>>> time Y to hear us talk about product Z". It
> > > >>>> allows you and
> > > >>>>>>> your colleagues to do so, because you are
> > > >> collectively
> > > >>>>>>> agreeing to meet, but it prevents sales
> > > >>>> pitches because in
> > > >>>>>>> those cases there is no collective agreement -
> > > >>>>>>> it's
> > > >> a
> > > >>>>>>> one-way communication.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> So, by all means, please schedule a CDT BOF. I look
> > > >>>> forward to
> > > >>>>>>> your having a really great time at the conference, and
> > > >>>>>> I apologize
> > > >>>>>>> if this mechanism was not explained to you before.
> > > >>>> Mea culpa...
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Regards,
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Bjorn Freeman-Benson
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> EclipseCon Organizing Chair
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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