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Hi Bob,
Thank you for the answers, My comments are inline Il 03/09/2013 16:46, Bob Brodt ha scritto: I'm not sure about "Pool - Organization" mapping. From what i undesrtand a Pool represent the boundaries of a business process within an Organization.Hi Andrea, Thanks for your comments. I'll try to answer these as best I can... 1) As you know, the BPMN 2.0 specification defines four types of diagrams: Process, Collaboration, Choreography and Conversation. Conversations are typically thought of in terms of a Collaboration (essentially messages exchanged between two or more participants) hence the BPMN2 Modeler New File wizard only provides for the first three. The tool palette is restricted by the editor to only those tools that make sense for the type of diagram being worked on. Process diagrams describe processes that are internal to an Organization (or "business entity") and therefore represent a single Pool (a.k.a. "Participant"). It would not make sense to allow creation of another Pool (which would represent a different organization) within the Process diagram. This is what the Collaboration diagram is intended for: each Pool represents a different organization, and the contents of the Pools represent the activities and processes internal to that organization. So it's correct to say that if you're representing a case when you want to represent collaboration between process of different organizations you need two pools. But in my opinion two pools could be used also to represent two different business process within the same organization. For this reason i still prefer to use pools to represent boundaries of busineess processes. Lanes insted represent group / roles within the organization. I'm still prefer to use a Pool even if i've only one process within an Organization. Ok i think we agree on that.If you want to model inter-departmental processes (e.g. sales, manufacturing, warehouse, shipping, etc.) in a Process diagram, you should be using Lanes to represent the various departments.
When the editor open after you fill the wizard i see a single page
editor. I'am able to see the multiple tabs only when i enable "Show
Source View" on the diagram. Are you referring to this when you say Multipage Editor?? Follow this steps:2) Really? I haven't run into this problem. If you can reproduce this error, please file a bug. Maybe we can arrange a screen sharing session so you can demonstrate the problem you're seeing? a) New Generic BPMN2 Diagram b) In the dialog boc choose Collaboration, The editor open configuring two Pools "Initiating Pool" and "Non Initiating Pool" c) Select "Lane" from The Palette and add to "Initiating Pool". Lane 1 Appears d) Repeat Previous point: Lane 2 appears to the palette. The pool area is not divided horizontally and the lanes are overlapping I'm using the following version ( take from Eclipse installed features ) BPMN2 Editor 0.2.7.201308301511 org.eclipse.bpmn2.modeler.feature.feature.group Eclipse.org Ok I'll do.3) OK, I'll take this into consideration. Can you please file an enhancement request at bugzilla?
I've try the following use case:1) Created a simple collaboration diagram ( with one pool ), with the modeler added some stuff to the pool ( a very simple process with "start" and "end" event two task and two parallel gateways ). 2) Then i closed the editor, opened the bpmn file manually and removed the BPMN DI ( xml elements ). 3) Reopened the file with the editor. The editor is able to recreate the bpmn di information but the pool is lost. 4) I laso try to do the same with a collaboration diagram with two pools with two process, but it seems pool information will be ignored when BPMN DI information are rebuilt. 5) A Programmer's Guide as well as a User's Guide are currently in the works. In the meantime, there are several example plug-ins as well as a screencast [1] that demonstrate a lot of the extension features available. I haven't thought about a DnD extension point yet, but please feel free to file an enhancement request in bugzilla. Thank you for the link i'll definitely take a look. Regards, Bob [1] http://eclipse.org/bpmn2-modeler/videos/CustomTask-Example-part1.htm ----- Original Message -----Hi, Great News :) I've download and play with this release of BPMN Modeler. I'm evaluating the porting of our tools ( actually still based on BPMN 1 modeler ) to the BPMN2 Modeler. I've some question doubt, that i want to share. 1) I've not clear how the palette is configured according to the wizard used to create the BPMN diagram. For example i've notice that if i use the "New Generic BPMN2 Diagram" and then i choose "Process" ( in the dialog box ) i'm not able to add Pools on the diagram beacuse they're not present. Instead if i choose "Collaboration" i'am able to add Pools. In my opinion does not really make sense the disticntion between "Process" and "Collaboration" on the wizard. Instead the distinction between Collaboration and Coreography make sense :). 2) When i try to use more than one lanes on a single Pool, the editor does not look like as i expected, and i'm not able to place tasks in lanes inside a Pool. Is this a known bug??? I think it's perfectly legal to use multiple lanes within "Pools" Any Thought??? 3) I like very much, the option to use "Manhattan Style" connection routers. By the way i think this should be the "default". 4) Is there a mechanism to autolayout a BPMN2 file not created with the BPMN2 Modeler?? A useful requirements is to open with the modeler bpmn2 file not created with then BPMN2 Modeler. 5) The last question, is more from developer point fo view. I'm interested to know if there is some documentation about the mechanism to extend and customize the editor. In particular i'm interested in 5.1) Mechanism to personalize Palette Behaviour ( I see there's another wizard related to JBPM that provide something like these but it's not clear to me how it's working ) 5.2) Mechanism to define runtimes and integrate into the editor 5.3) I there a way to perform some DnD on the editor ( Actually i'm using a lot some features of BPMN 1 Editor ) that defines extension points, to customize DnD operations enabling the underlying EMF model to be annotated with EAnnotation Just my two cents... Andrea Zoppello Il 30/08/2013 20:48, Bob Brodt ha scritto:Hi y'all! Version 0.2.7 of the BPMN2 Modeler is now available. Please see the What's New Page [1] for more information. The BPMN2 Modeler project has been in development for over a year now and this will be the last version during the incubation stage before what we hope will be a 1.0 graduation release. The push for "zarro boogs found" is on and we're counting on you, the user community, to help us find the last few remaining bugs. Of course, you will be rewarded for your efforts in more ways than just the simple satisfaction of knowing you have contributed to the project to help make it the best BPMN 2.0 design tool available. Please see the contest rules on Zarroboogsfound.com for details. Thanks to everyone in the eclipse user community for your help! "The management" [1] http://eclipse.org/bpmn2-modeler/whatsnew/whatsnew-0.2.7.php _______________________________________________ bpmn2-modeler-dev mailing list bpmn2-modeler-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/bpmn2-modeler-dev_______________________________________________ bpmn2-modeler-dev mailing list bpmn2-modeler-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/bpmn2-modeler-dev_______________________________________________ bpmn2-modeler-dev mailing list bpmn2-modeler-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/bpmn2-modeler-dev --
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