Re: [bpel-dev] Re: question about Eclipse BPEL status

[sam wang <samwzm@xxxxxxxxx>]

thank you very much, Jonathan! it's really helpful.

Sammy


--- Jonathan Coogan <Jonathan.Coogan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Sam.  I'd recommend you start developing with the WTP all-in-one SDK (
> http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/R2.0/R-2.0-200706260303
> /).  It contains everything the BPEL project needs, and more.
> 
> To get started, you can take a look at feature.xml in
> org.eclipse.bpel.feature to get an idea of which plug-ins and features are
> required by the BPEL project.  Including them is your own project is pretty
> straightforward.  Any good RCP resource will describe in detail how to do
> this.
> 
> Once you get the dependencies ironed out, it is not difficult to open the
> BPEL editor and let it do its thing.  The more difficult part is managing
> the workspace/project in the absence of the IDE.  You will probably need to
> write your own code for managing project lifecycle.  It all depends on what
> you're trying to accomplish.
> 
> I'm new to Eclipse development so I can't really talk to the differences
> between SWT apps and RCP apps.  You should probably read up on RCP before
> you dive into this.  You can find some good resources online if you search
> around, or you could pick up a book.  This one was helpful for me:
> http://www.amazon.com/Eclipse-Rich-Client-Platform-Applications/dp/032133461
> 2/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-5100458-0456416?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192465642&sr=8-1
> 
> I also use this book, although it is kind of dated now:
> http://www.amazon.com/Java-Developers-Guide-Eclipse-2nd/dp/0321305027/ref=pd
> _bbs_sr_1/105-5100458-0456416?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192465896&sr=1-1
> 
> The Eclipse Corner articles are another great resource:
> http://www.eclipse.org/articles/index.php
> 
> 
> Good luck!
> -Jon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/12/07 9:25 PM, "sam wang" <samwzm@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > That's great! thank you very much for the help from both Michal and Jonathan!
> > 
> > by the way, Jonathan, could you please describe the process of repackaging the
> > editor in an RCP
> > application? As suggested by Michal, satisfying the dependence is the most
> > important thing, such
> > as  WSDL, XSD, EMF. Is there any other packages? I know how to make a SWT
> > stand alone application,
> > does making Eclipse BPEL stand alone application have the same procedure with
> > making SWT
> > application or not?
> > 
> > thanks again and have a good weekend,
> > Sammy
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- Jonathan Coogan <Jonathan.Coogan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > 
> >> I have had some success in both these areas.  The files produced by the
> >> editor do work in Ode for the most part.  There are some problems but I've
> >> been trying to write them up as I find them.  I have also been able to
> >> repackage the editor in an RCP application.  It takes some work but it is
> >> definitely do-able.
> >> 
> >> -Jon
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 10/12/07 12:51 PM, "Michal Chmielewski" <michal.chmielewski@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Sam,
> >>> 
> >>> Find my questions in line.
> >>> 
> >>> sam wang wrote:
> >>>> Hi, Michal,
> >>>> 
> >>>> sorry to interrupt you. I posted several emails to developer's mail list.
> >>>> however, I just received
> >>>> your response about one of my questions. since I can not find any answer
> >>>> through the website or
> >>>> mail list, I really appreciate if you could give me some hint about the
> >>>> following two questions.
> >>>> 
> >>>> first question, can the BPEL file generated by the current BPEL designer
> >>>> run
> >>>> or not? that is, how
> >>>> about the BPEL engine in the current BPEL project? if it can not run
> >>>> through
> >>>> Eclipse BPEL engine,
> >>>> can it run under other BPEL engines? such as Apache's ODE or Oracle's BPEL
> >>>> engine? (the same
> >>>> question is that if the file generated by the current BPEL designer exactly
> >>>> conforms to BPEL
> >>>> specification. because I know some BPEL designer will put their own stuff
> >>>> into the result, such as
> >>>> ActiveBPEL. although it can be run under its own BPEL engine, it can not be
> >>>> run under other BPEL
> >>>> engines since the result is not a standard BPEL file.)
> >>>>   
> >>> Yes it can. There are people that have done this. But running it does
> >>> not mean just having the engine pick it up and run it. Deployment is a
> >>> little more complicated then that and usually is engine dependent. There
> >>> are bindings or deployment specific information that needs to be written
> >>> to a deployment descriptor ... or just packaging things into something
> >>> that the engine understands as "runnable" - but as far as I know the
> >>> source is 2.0 compatible and runs.
> >>>> second question, is there any chance that the Eclipse BPEL project can be
> >>>> run
> >>>> as a stand alone
> >>>> application instead of Eclipse plug-in?
> >>>>   
> >>> Eclipse has a RCP http://www.eclipse.org/rcp/ which does not include the
> >>> entire dev environment which you typically use. The designer has
> >>> dependency on WSDL, XSD, EMF, etc and as long as you can satify them in
> >>> an RCP application I suppose it can can be done.
> >>> 
> >>> Aptana, the javascript html editor for web abbs is a great example of an
> >>> eclipse RCP application.
> >>> 
> >>> -m
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> I know you must be very busy and any suggestion or hint will be greatly
> >>>> appreciated!
> >>>> Sammy
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
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