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		<title>Re: [birt-pmc] Separate bug tracker?</title>
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		<description>Hi JD, First, thanks for your interest in the BIRT Community. For users of BIRT, the BIRT newsgroup/forum is the place where all the action happens. You can access it here: http://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/f/2/ As you will see, this is a very active...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<table width="100%"><tr><td style="a:link { color: blue } a:visited { color: purple } "><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi JD,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>First, thanks for your interest in the BIRT Community. For users of BIRT, the BIRT newsgroup/forum is the place where all the action happens. You can access it here:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/f/2/">http://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/f/2/</a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As you will see, this is a very active forum (one of the most active in the Eclipse ecosystem). Community members and the BIRT team try to respond as quickly as possible to questions in that forum.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>When a question comes in on the mailing lists, it is typically a user question and we (usually myself) re-direct the poster to the forum. I occasionally miss one, which is probably what happened to the one on Jan 8. Hopefully that person posted to the forum anyway. FWIW, some users also post to other areas such as Stack Overflow, BIRT-Exchange and other community forums &#8211; we try to monitor those as well and post responses there when questions come up.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For developers of BIRT, the mailing lists are not used much for development discussions &#8211; more as a news channel for builds. Any technical discussion happens in the context of specific Bugzilla items when needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hope this helps.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Paul.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joseph D Carroll Jr<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 08, 2013 7:52 AM<br><b>To:</b> BIRT PMC communications (including coordination, announcements, and Group discussions)<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [birt-pmc] Separate bug tracker?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am just a casual observer here, but this morning I noticed an email in my inbox from birt-dev.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have filters setup for all of the different lists I have subscribed to, and my first thought was why is that in my inbox and why haven't I had more of these.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Since we are on the subject of 'open &amp; transparent' I went to the birt-dev and birt-charting-dev mail archives [1] &amp; [2]. &nbsp;There have been 16 different threads with 18 total emails since Jan 1 on birt-dev and 1 thread with only the single email on birt-charting-dev. &nbsp;I should note that the single email on birt-charting-dev was a question posted by a user which has yet to be responded to (the question was posted on Jan 8). &nbsp;In birt-dev only 2 of the 16 threads are related to development topics, the rest are all along the lines of &quot;Please check out stable build 'X'...&quot;.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I also noticed that there are no birt-user email lists, which makes this (the lack of emails) even more&nbsp;puzzling&nbsp;concerning. &nbsp;I am only now starting to look into BIRT for use in my project, so maybe everyone knows to use the forums instead of the mail lists. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have no way of knowing if there are other (internal) lists the birt developers use, but something tells me there is more collaboration going on somewhere. &nbsp;If there is an internal email list (which I think is completely reasonable), it would be appropriate to have the birt-dev as a member or at the very least the internal list a member of birt-dev. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Just something that caught my attention.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>JD<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>[1]&nbsp;<a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/birt-dev/">http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/birt-dev/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>[2]&nbsp;<a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/birt-charting-dev/">http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/birt-charting-dev/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Jesse Weinstein &lt;<a href="mailto:jesse.weinstein@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" target="_blank">jesse.weinstein@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you for the reply.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regarding the repo syncing &#8211; it&#8217;s now 10 days out-of-date. That&#8217;s more than a week. And (unless you are doing something very strange with your git set-up), syncing, while manual, requires nothing more than running a single command: &#8220;git push&#8221;. I&#8217;m puzzled as to why that would be so difficult.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx" target="_blank">birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx" target="_blank">birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Clenahan<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 06, 2013 2:55 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><b>To:</b> BIRT PMC communications (including coordination, announcements, andGroup discussions)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>Subject:</b> Re: [birt-pmc] Separate bug tracker?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wayne, Jesse,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In addition to the testing that happens in the community for open source BIRT, we also do a lot of testing of BIRT in the context of our commercial products. As we encounter issues in our commercial products we track these in our commercial bug tracking system. In some cases, we then narrow the bug down to an issue in the open source code base &#8211; in which case, two things happen:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>1.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We open a bug in Eclipse Bugzilla to ensure the issue is visible to the community.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>2.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We fix the bug in the open source code base.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For #2, the developer may sometimes reference the commercial bug number in the code (that is what the Txxxxxx numbers are). They should reference the Bugzilla number and we will remind them to do so.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wayne,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regarding the repository syncing, as Wenfeng indicated in one of the emails last week we plan to move back to direct checkins to the Eclipse git. However, we do not want to make that switch mid-stream for our Kepler development. In the interim, we are now syncing once a week. We realize that ideally it would be more frequently but this is currently a manual process.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Paul.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx" target="_blank">birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a> [<a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx" target="_blank">mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wayne Beaton<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 03, 2013 11:19 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx" target="_blank">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [birt-pmc] Separate bug tracker?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I would very much like an answer to this question.<br><br>Also... the repository is now six days out of date. I understand that making changes takes time. While you are sorting out how, exactly, you're going to change the way BIRT does things, you're going to need to do something stopgap to keep the repository at least sort-of up-to-date.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Wayne<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 04/29/2013 03:13 PM, Wayne Beaton wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I noticed the &quot;Txxxx&quot; numbers some time ago. I swear that I posted a question about them on a bug, but I can't find it now.<br><br>What does the &quot;T56886&quot; in &quot;[BZ]TimeZone is not passed to ScriptContext(T56886)&quot; mean?<br><br>Wayne<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 04/29/2013 01:42 PM, Jesse Weinstein wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&lt;snip&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Regarding the 2<sup>nd</sup> point, about public bug reports &#8211; here are some examples of commit messages that appear to refer to a private, non-Eclipse-hosted bug tracking system:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=956ee36d507d5ce4a32e5a35adf15fb6355301a8" target="_blank">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=956ee36d507d5ce4a32e5a35adf15fb6355301a8</a><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>[BZ]TimeZone is not passed to ScriptContext(T56886)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:.5in'><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=56886" target="_blank">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=56886</a> is a Platform bug closed in 2006.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:.5in'>While the actual bugzilla entry is <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=399055" target="_blank">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=399055</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=b6947ee83cbe29242645b36670b211f697b4849a" target="_blank">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=b6947ee83cbe29242645b36670b211f697b4849a</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fix NPE is thrown out when insert chart into list #59066<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=59066" target="_blank">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=59066</a> is a JDT duplicate closed in 2004.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There are many other instances visible in <a href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/log/" target="_blank">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/log/</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- <br>Wayne Beaton<br>Director of Open Source Projects, <a href="http://www.eclipse.org" target="_blank">The Eclipse Foundation</a><br>Learn about <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects" target="_blank">Eclipse Projects</a><br><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/france2013" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=480 height=60 id="_x0000_i1025" src="" alt="EclipseCon France 2013"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>birt-pmc mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx" target="_blank">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc" target="_blank">https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- <br>Wayne Beaton<br>Director of Open Source Projects, <a href="http://www.eclipse.org" target="_blank">The Eclipse Foundation</a><br>Learn about <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects" target="_blank">Eclipse Projects</a><br><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/france2013" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=480 height=60 id="_x0000_i1026" src="" alt="EclipseCon
          France 2013"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>birt-pmc mailing list<br><a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><br><a href="https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc" target="_blank">https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div></td></tr></table><p><a href="png6uBdCosl5h.png" ><img src="png6uBdCosl5h.png" alt="PNG image"></a></p>
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		<title>Re: [birt-pmc] Separate bug tracker?</title>
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		<description> &amp;#xA0;-- Wayne Beaton Director of Open Source Projects, The Eclipse FoundationLearn about Eclipse Projects _______________________________________________birt-pmc mailing listbirt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc&amp;#xA0; -- Wayne Beat...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div dir="ltr">I am just a casual observer here, but this morning I noticed an email in my inbox from birt-dev.<div><br></div><div style>I have filters setup for all of the different lists I have subscribed to, and my first thought was why is that in my inbox and why haven&#39;t I had more of these.</div>

<div style><br></div><div style>Since we are on the subject of &#39;open &amp; transparent&#39; I went to the birt-dev and birt-charting-dev mail archives [1] &amp; [2]. &#xA0;There have been 16 different threads with 18 total emails since Jan 1 on birt-dev and 1 thread with only the single email on birt-charting-dev. &#xA0;I should note that the single email on birt-charting-dev was a question posted by a user which has yet to be responded to (the question was posted on Jan 8). &#xA0;In birt-dev only 2 of the 16 threads are related to development topics, the rest are all along the lines of &quot;Please check out stable build &#39;X&#39;...&quot;.</div>

<div style><br></div><div style>I also noticed that there are no birt-user email lists, which makes this (the lack of emails) even more&#xA0;puzzling&#xA0;concerning. &#xA0;I am only now starting to look into BIRT for use in my project, so maybe everyone knows to use the forums instead of the mail lists. &#xA0;</div>

<div style><br></div><div style>I have no way of knowing if there are other (internal) lists the birt developers use, but something tells me there is more collaboration going on somewhere. &#xA0;If there is an internal email list (which I think is completely reasonable), it would be appropriate to have the birt-dev as a member or at the very least the internal list a member of birt-dev. &#xA0;</div>

<div style><br></div><div style>Just something that caught my attention.</div><div style><br></div><div style>Thanks,</div><div style><br></div><div style>JD</div><div style><br></div><div style><br></div><div style>[1]&#xA0;<a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/birt-dev/">http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/birt-dev/</a></div>

<div style>[2]&#xA0;<a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/birt-charting-dev/">http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/birt-charting-dev/</a></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Jesse Weinstein <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jesse.weinstein@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" target="_blank">jesse.weinstein@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Thank you for the reply.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&#xA0;<u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Regarding the repo syncing &#x2013; it&#x2019;s now 10 days out-of-date. That&#x2019;s more than a week. And (unless you are doing something very strange with your git set-up), syncing, while manual, requires nothing more than running a single command: &#x201C;git push&#x201D;. I&#x2019;m puzzled as to why that would be so difficult.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&#xA0;<u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">

<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx" target="_blank">birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx" target="_blank">birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Clenahan<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 06, 2013 2:55 PM</span></p><div class="im"><br><b>To:</b> BIRT PMC communications (including coordination, announcements, andGroup discussions)<br></div><div><div class="h5"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [birt-pmc] Separate bug tracker?<u></u><u></u></div>

</div><p></p></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u>&#xA0;<u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Wayne, Jesse,<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&#xA0;<u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">In addition to the testing that happens in the community for open source BIRT, we also do a lot of testing of BIRT in the context of our commercial products. As we encounter issues in our commercial products we track these in our commercial bug tracking system. In some cases, we then narrow the bug down to an issue in the open source code base &#x2013; in which case, two things happen:<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&#xA0;<u></u></span></p><p><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><span>1.<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0; </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">We open a bug in Eclipse Bugzilla to ensure the issue is visible to the community.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><span>2.<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0; </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">We fix the bug in the open source code base.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&#xA0;<u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">For #2, the developer may sometimes reference the commercial bug number in the code (that is what the Txxxxxx numbers are). They should reference the Bugzilla number and we will remind them to do so.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&#xA0;<u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Wayne,<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&#xA0;<u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Regarding the repository syncing, as Wenfeng indicated in one of the emails last week we plan to move back to direct checkins to the Eclipse git. However, we do not want to make that switch mid-stream for our Kepler development. In the interim, we are now syncing once a week. We realize that ideally it would be more frequently but this is currently a manual process.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&#xA0;<u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Paul.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&#xA0;<u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&#xA0;<u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&#xA0;<u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">

<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx" target="_blank">birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a> [<a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx" target="_blank">mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wayne Beaton<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 03, 2013 11:19 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx" target="_blank">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [birt-pmc] Separate bug tracker?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>

</div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u>&#xA0;<u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I would very much like an answer to this question.<br><br>Also... the repository is now six days out of date. I understand that making changes takes time. While you are sorting out how, exactly, you&#39;re going to change the way BIRT does things, you&#39;re going to need to do something stopgap to keep the repository at least sort-of up-to-date.<br>

<br>Thanks,<br><br>Wayne<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 04/29/2013 03:13 PM, Wayne Beaton wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">

I noticed the &quot;Txxxx&quot; numbers some time ago. I swear that I posted a question about them on a bug, but I can&#39;t find it now.<br><br>What does the &quot;T56886&quot; in &quot;[BZ]TimeZone is not passed to ScriptContext(T56886)&quot; mean?<br>

<br>Wayne<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 04/29/2013 01:42 PM, Jesse Weinstein wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">&lt;snip&gt; <u></u><u></u></p>

<div style="border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"><p class="MsoNormal">&#xA0;<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">&#xA0;<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Regarding the 2<sup>nd</sup> point, about public bug reports &#x2013; here are some examples of commit messages that appear to refer to a private, non-Eclipse-hosted bug tracking system:<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=956ee36d507d5ce4a32e5a35adf15fb6355301a8" target="_blank">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=956ee36d507d5ce4a32e5a35adf15fb6355301a8</a><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><span style="color:#1f497d">[BZ]TimeZone is not passed to ScriptContext(T56886)</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=56886" target="_blank">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=56886</a> is a Platform bug closed in 2006.<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in">While the actual bugzilla entry is <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=399055" target="_blank">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=399055</a> <u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal">&#xA0;<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=b6947ee83cbe29242645b36670b211f697b4849a" target="_blank">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=b6947ee83cbe29242645b36670b211f697b4849a</a> <u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal">&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0; Fix NPE is thrown out when insert chart into list #59066<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0; <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=59066" target="_blank">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=59066</a> is a JDT duplicate closed in 2004.<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal">&#xA0;<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">There are many other instances visible in <a href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/log/" target="_blank">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/log/</a> <u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal">&#xA0;<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">&#xA0;<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">&#xA0; <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u>&#xA0;<u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">-- <br>Wayne Beaton<br>

Director of Open Source Projects, <a href="http://www.eclipse.org" target="_blank">The Eclipse Foundation</a><br>Learn about <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects" target="_blank">Eclipse Projects</a><br><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/france2013" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:none"><img border="0" width="480" height="60" src="" alt="EclipseCon France 2013"></span></a><u></u><u></u></p>

</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><pre>_______________________________________________<u></u><u></u></pre><pre>birt-pmc mailing list<u></u><u></u></pre><pre><a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx" target="_blank">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><u></u><u></u></pre>

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-- <br>Wayne Beaton<br>Director of Open Source Projects, <a href="http://www.eclipse.org" target="_blank">The Eclipse Foundation</a><br>Learn about <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects" target="_blank">Eclipse Projects</a><br>

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		<title>Re: [birt-pmc] BIRT Git repository may be out of date.</title>
		<link>http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/birt-pmc/msg00481.html</link>
		<description>I&amp;#8217;m glad to see that the repo was updated again yesterday (after a 10 day delay), but it still looks like various things are missing, as shown in the following bug reports, which were closed as fixed without (AFAICS) the corresponding commits being present...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<table width="100%"><tr><td bgcolor="white" style="background-color: white; a:link { color: blue } a:visited { color: purple } "><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I&#8217;m glad to see that the repo was updated again yesterday (after a 10 day delay), but it still looks like various things are missing, as shown in the following bug reports, which were closed as fixed without (AFAICS) the corresponding commits being present in the public repo.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?bug_id=403861%2C404037%2C403637%2C403862%2C330993%2C402587%2C403864&amp;bug_id_type=anyexact&amp;query_format=advanced&amp;list_id=5403538">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?bug_id=403861%2C404037%2C403637%2C403862%2C330993%2C402587%2C403864&amp;bug_id_type=anyexact&amp;query_format=advanced&amp;list_id=5403538</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wenfeng Li<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 29, 2013 2:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> BIRT PMC communications (including coordination, announcements, andGroup discussions)<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [birt-pmc] BIRT Git repository may be out of date.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>To make sure there is no misunderstanding, the Eclipse repository has been and always is the primary repository for the BIRT project.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wenfeng<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a> [<a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jesse Weinstein<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 29, 2013 2:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> BIRT PMC communications (including coordination, announcements, and Group discussions)<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [birt-pmc] BIRT Git repository may be out of date.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I&#8217;m not Wayne or Mike, but as I understand the situation... A local git repo is fine, as long as it is automatically mirroring the public one at git.eclipse.org (baring connectivity problems like cable cuts). That should resolve any performance or reliability concerns. The problem was having the primary repository be a non-public, non-Eclipse-hosted one, and having the Eclipse repo only get infrequent, batched commits long after the actual work was first done. That would not be an issue if the local repo was being automatically kept in sync with the git.eclipse.org one.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hopefully that will clarify things?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jesse (no i) Weinstein<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a> [<a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wenfeng Li<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 29, 2013 1:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> BIRT PMC communications (including coordination, announcements, andGroup discussions)<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [birt-pmc] BIRT Git repository may be out of date.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>From Wayne and Jessie's email ,&nbsp; I gather that any local git repo is not recommended. &nbsp;&nbsp;All committers should be&nbsp; using the git.eclipse.org directly.&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wayne,&nbsp; after our subnet is white-listed I have not heard the access deny problem anymore.&nbsp; On the other hand, the longest period of not being able to access Eclipse servers was due to a under-sea internet cable was cut.&nbsp; Nothing webmaster or us can do anything about it.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I will talk to all committers at Actuate to connect to git.eclipse.org directly. &nbsp;&nbsp;I expect &nbsp;that the same &nbsp;concern of &nbsp;performance, reliability, etc would be raised.&nbsp;&nbsp; But I will convey the message that this is Eclipse's recommendation: Actuate should not be providing a local git repo behind the firewall.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;If needed for Kepler release, Actuate can &nbsp;keep &nbsp;the local git repo until &nbsp;Kepler is done.&nbsp; But definitely stop after that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wenfeng<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a> [<a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wayne Beaton<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 29, 2013 12:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [birt-pmc] BIRT Git repository may be out of date.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>The webmaster's email log shows that--in most cases--the problems were caused by repeated authentication problems causing our intrusion detection logic to blacklist the subnet. He tells me that the subnet has been whitelisted, so as long as your committers know their login credentials they should be able to access git.eclipse.org directly. <br><br>If problems persist, we need to know about them so that they can be addressed.<br><br>I am concerned about the authentication problem. What could be causing multiple authentication failures? Are committers forgetting their credentials? Or was this just a point-in-time problem?<br><br>Do these problems persist today?<br><br>Wayne<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 04/29/2013 02:03 PM, Wenfeng Li wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If the branches are all in the same central server and if the central server is not accessible, then users of the git system are stuck.&nbsp; This is what I meant not fully leveraging the distributed model of git. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We can go back to check the historic data, you can also check with Eclipse web masters. &nbsp;As I recalled in the previous email, there were cases we don't have access for Eclipse servers for days and at one case for weeks.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wenfeng</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a> [<a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wayne Beaton<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 29, 2013 8:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [birt-pmc] BIRT Git repository may be out of date.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Git is a distributed development model. There is no cloud magic that automatically makes merging distributed Git repositories any easier than just merging against git.eclipse.org. If I'm wrong, please let me know. Be specific.<br><br>How long does a pull/push combination take? How often does it fail?<br><br>Using branches, including the notion of a main &quot;development&quot; branch and individual committer branches is how Git is intended to be used. Using branches does fully leverage the distributed model of Git. <br><br><a href="http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/">http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/</a><br><br>We have many projects with very distributed teams. The Eclipse project, for example, has developers working in shared repositories from China, Europe, and America.<br><br>If there are specific impediments to making this work, please let me know. We can try to work them out here, or we can open bugs to get Webmaster assistance.<br><br>Wayne<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 04/29/2013 02:46 AM, Wenfeng Li wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>There are two issues I think we need solutions: distributed development model and globally reliable infrastructure.&nbsp; Using branches might be able to support distributed development model to some degree,&nbsp;but with only servers at NA, we don't have the distributed infrastructure.&nbsp;&nbsp; Also, I think&nbsp;branching approach is not fully leveraging the distributed model of git.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Wenfeng</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=divRpF454008><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a> [<a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>] On Behalf Of Wayne Beaton [<a href="mailto:wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx">wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [birt-pmc] BIRT Git repository may be out of date.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>AFAIK, anybody with write access can create a branch in a git.eclipse.org repository. There may be a setting that prevents this, but the webmaster can help you sort that out.<br><br>Many projects work this way today. Creating branches is easy. I know that some projects make it hard to delete branches (again, I think that this is a setting) and will involve the webmaster to delete branches to reduce the opportunities for errors.<br><br>If this is what's stopping BIRT committers from working directly in the git.eclipse.org repository, then we can work this out.<br><br>The ideal situation is that BIRT developers regularly commit their ongoing work into the master repository at git.eclipse.org. It is perfectly valid for them to be pushing into separate feature-specific branches, but those branches really need to be in the master repository.<br><br>Developers forking the master repository in a GitHub context is a non-starter. Yes, these forked repositories would be publicly accessible, but hunting them down and identifying which ones are eclipse.org forks would be a problem pushed on the community. IMHO, this would be far more confusing than having development branches in the main repository.<br><br>Wayne</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>On 04/28/2013 02:20 AM, Wenfeng Li wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yes, we could have used a feature branch.&nbsp; It is what we used to do with CVS.&nbsp; &nbsp;The down side is that someone needs to manage the creation/deletion/build/testing of branches.&nbsp; I think git, as distributed tool, can help us save such work, as well as give everyone more freedom to work on the code without touching the master-git, which is always more involved and perceived risky.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Github like model is different from creating branches in the master git, because a developer or team of developers doesn't need to ask the master git owner to create branches for them.&nbsp; They can just start working on the code as they wish.&nbsp; &nbsp;I think it will encourage more developers to experiment or play with the project code, and then contribute to the master-git code base when they are ready or let the community to test the features before adding them to master git.&nbsp; There is already people use github to work on Eclipse code base, but I think it would &nbsp;have been better (at least IP wise) that Eclipse hosts those codes.&nbsp; I think such model will help Eclipses to get more contributions from the community than everything in the master-git model.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In addition to the distributed development model,&nbsp; &nbsp;I think we shall also have the distributed infrastructure so that &nbsp;all committers around the globe can &nbsp;rely on the Eclipse servers, would it be better to leverage the cloud than having our own data center?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Lastly,&nbsp; I think the &nbsp;issue of this email thread probably wasn't about our different view of what &nbsp;the development model should be.&nbsp; The issue was about if the local git should be behind the fire-wall.&nbsp; I think we are all in agreement that the desire is to have it on &nbsp;a public server.&nbsp; With current infrastructure, we can try push more often but we don't have the ability to make a public &quot;local&quot; git.&nbsp; I wish that EMO can help.&nbsp; . &nbsp;It would be even better if Eclipse can consider supporting the distributed github model as well as a cloud based infrastructure for global access.&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wenfeng</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a> [<a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wayne Beaton<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [birt-pmc] BIRT Git repository may be out of date.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Working on a feature in a local repo and then pushing the commits for that feature to the master repo is a reasonable way of working. In my definition, however, a &quot;feature&quot; represents a handful of commits over a half-day or so of work (based on the agile concept of a feature). I assume that you're using &quot;feature&quot; in a much broader sense of the word.<br><br>The synchronization with git.eclipse.org has to happen more frequently. If not automatically, then you'll have to work regular manual synchronization into your development plan. Frankly, I agree that doing it automatically won't work in the general case: if the project has committers working outside of the Actuate infrastructure, the opportunity for merge conflicts will grow.<br><br>The git.eclipse.org repository has to be treated as the master repository. You can't treat the master repository as some protected thing that you only ever push complete work to. Incomplete work needs to be in the repository as well: perhaps in separate branches, but most certainly in the master repository. It's okay to be a few commits behind here-and-there, but the master repository needs to contain the ongoing work. <br><br>Perhaps you might consider creating feature-specific branches for ongoing development of features that you aren't ready to merge into master or one of the version-specific branches .<br><br>I don't understand how working with GitHub would be any different than working directly with git.eclipse.org. You'd still have to be regularly pushing to a publicly-accessible repository. If you can do this against GitHub, why not git.eclipse.org? Any global distributed cloud-based infrastructure that I can envision is still going to have a merge conflict/resolution problem to solve.<br><br>Git is our distributed infrastructure. At this point in time, we have no plans (or motivation) to invest in an alternative solution.<br><br>Wayne<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 04/27/2013 11:36 PM, Wenfeng Li wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Why it is not possible for any other committers to push local git to Eclipse master git?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Actuate's repo is not the &quot;master&quot; copy, Eclipse one is.&nbsp;&nbsp; Any other committer's local repo can be merged to the Eclipse master copy.&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&quot;Thrown over the wall&quot; is &nbsp;not accurate nor a fair characterization of the contribution of our team.&nbsp; I am disappointed on the use of such words.&nbsp; &nbsp;If a feature required changes from several people, having a local repo to test the integration before merging to the master repo is a better process than automatically throw over the code to master repo without integration testing first.&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am open to suggestions.&nbsp; But I think automatic merge is not the solution.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What do you think about the gitHub model?&nbsp; All committers can have a &quot;local&quot;/&quot;personal&quot; git, and merge to the master repo when a feature is completed/tested.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you agree with such model, is it possible for Eclipse to setup a global distributed gitHub equivalent for the Eclipse community?&nbsp; With that, we will be able to get out of the work to maintain a local behind the firewall git which I also agree that is not a good situation.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wenfeng</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a> [<a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wayne Beaton<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 26, 2013 8:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [birt-pmc] BIRT Git repository may be out of date.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Synchronizing multiple distributed repositories is one of the key values provided by Git. Git is designed to solve the distribution, replication, and merge problems. Git, when used properly, is the cloud-based solution that you think you need.<br><br>Having the main project content being developed in a Git repository that is &quot;thrown over the wall&quot; every month or week or so is effectively a private project. For all practical purposes, it is impossible to contribute to BIRT so long as the active repository is hidden away where it is inaccessible to the community. If only Actuate employees have any hope of contributing to the project repository, then it is effectively an Actuate project.<br><br>Do you encounter specific, real problems when doing a Git push to git.eclipse.org? Let's work them out. Git is designed to make this work, let's make it work.<br><br>Wayne<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 04/26/2013 10:00 PM, Wenfeng Li wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I agree with Mike that a public accessible local git is more transparent.&nbsp; Hence the proposal for the foundation to set up more &quot;local&quot; git servers globally.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>On the other hand, having a behind the firewall local git doesn't mean the project is Actuate's only,&nbsp; all committers can set up their own local git and push to the same master git at Eclipse.&nbsp;&nbsp; This is the distributed nature of Git.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As for the suggestion of automatically push local change,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; one issue needs to resolve is how to resolve conflicts if there are changes from different &quot;local&quot; git?&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>An ideal situation is that committers don't need to worry about the source control system and build servers.&nbsp; A public, reliable, fast, cloud based global solution would be great.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wenfeng</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a> [<a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Milinkovich<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 26, 2013 5:49 PM<br><b>To:</b> BIRT PMC communications; <a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [birt-pmc] BIRT Git repository may be out of date.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am not sure that even this would be acceptable. The problem with doing development behind the firewall is that it means that the project is Actuate's, not Eclipse's. How can someone from any other company participate equally on the project if the main development and the 'stable ' builds all happen behind a firewall?&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What do you think?&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike Milinkovich<br><a href="mailto:mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx">mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><br>+1.613.220.3223</span><o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;background:white;BORDER-SPACING:
                        0px'><tr><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in' id="_persistentHeader"><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Wayne Beaton</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Friday, April 26, 2013 8:24 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Reply To: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>BIRT PMC communications (including coordination, announcements, (including coordination, announcements,&gt;)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Re: [birt-pmc] BIRT Git repository may be out of date.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div id="_originalContent"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'>Git is by its very nature a distributed system. Investing in something like AWS for this makes no sense.<br><br>We have no issue with a project team working from a local clone. Some amount of latency is expected, but a full month is too much for a project that is expected to working in an open and transparent manner. It is basically impossible for anybody else to participate in the project if the repository is always days, weeks, or months out-of-date.<br><br>The pushes back to eclipse.org have to be done more frequently.<br><br>At a minimum, you should be able to very quickly set up a cron job that forces a push to eclipse.org every day, or--even better--a few times a day (every hour). This should literally require a one-liner cron entry.&nbsp; I can help if necessary.<br><br>Your developers shouldn't even notice the push is happening. Even better would be some kind of commit hook that does the push (as Jesse suggests). If a single push fails, the next one will do the job. That's how Git works.<br><br>This needs to be automatic.<br><br>Please make this happen as soon as possible.<br><br>Wayne<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>On 04/26/2013 04:59 PM, Wenfeng Li wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wayne</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Is it your recommendation that projects should not use a local git depot, instead all should just use the Eclipse master git depot?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We had run into network and accessibility issue to the Eclipse server in the past that causing delay of work and risking not meeting the simultaneous &nbsp;release schedule. &nbsp;There were many times, developers can't do work for a several hours to a couple of day.&nbsp; And there were one time when the whole team was shut down for a week due to a undersea cable was cut between North America and Asia.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>One possible solution is for Eclipse foundation to create a distributed git service around the world (using AWS?), it will allow committers to remove the need of local gits.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For now, with distributed git, there is a question of how often you push the local copy to the master copy.&nbsp; It is a matter of someone needs to do the work.&nbsp; The more often the push, the more work.&nbsp; On the other hand, we understand we don't want to have a big gap.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;so our plan is to push after every stable build since we expect most users would only be using stable builds.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In short, I agree that we need to push the code now, since it has been too long since last push.&nbsp; The intention was to push at least once a month if not more often after each stable build.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>br,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wenfeng</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a> [<a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wayne Beaton<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 26, 2013 10:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [birt-pmc] BIRT Git repository may be out of date.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>I'm moving this discussion out of bugzilla an onto the PMC list.<br><br>I assume that you mean &quot;Git&quot; rather than &quot;GitHub&quot;.<br><br>How often does this push happen?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><br>AFAICT, there hasn't been an commit against BIRT since March 18. But there are bugs that indicate that some work has occurred in the interim. For example:<br><br><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=404105" target="_blank">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=404105</a><br><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=403857" target="_blank">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=403857</a><br><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=403860" target="_blank">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=403860</a><br><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=399055" target="_blank">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=399055</a><br><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=403864" target="_blank">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=403864</a><br><br>I am very concerned that the public repo is very far behind. This makes it difficult for others to participate, solicit contributions, and grow diversity in the project.<br><br>Is it true that there hasn't been a commit against the BIRT Git repository in more than a month?<br><br>Wayne<br><br><br>-------- Original Message -------- <o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>Subject: </b><o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>[Bug 402274] Wrapped texts when export to ODP<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>Date: </b><o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 01:25:51 +0000<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>From: </b><o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:bugzilla-daemon@xxxxxxxxxxx">bugzilla-daemon@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>To: </b><o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx">wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><pre style='background:white'><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=402274" target="_blank">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=402274</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>Product/Component: BIRT / Report Engine<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>--- Comment #7 from Wenfeng Li <a href="mailto:wli@xxxxxxxxxxx">&lt;wli@xxxxxxxxxxx&gt;</a> ---<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>(In reply to comment #6)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>&gt; (In reply to comment #5)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>&gt; &gt; you should wait until next open source version published.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>&gt; <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>&gt; Aren't all versions of BIRT open source?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>Actuate has a local gitHub that will push to master github after a stable<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>build.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>You are receiving this mail because:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>You are on the CC list for the bug.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'>-- <br>Wayne Beaton<br>Director of Open Source Projects, <a href="http://www.eclipse.org" target="_blank">The Eclipse Foundation</a><br>Learn about <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects" target="_blank">Eclipse Projects</a><br><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/france2013" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=480 height=60 id="_x0000_i1026" src="" alt="EclipseCon
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 France 2013"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>birt-pmc mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc" target="_blank">https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>-- <br>Wayne Beaton<br>Director of Open Source Projects, <a href="http://www.eclipse.org" target="_blank">The Eclipse Foundation</a><br>Learn about <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects" target="_blank">Eclipse Projects</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>birt-pmc mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc" target="_blank">https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-- <br>Wayne Beaton<br>Director of Open Source Projects, <a href="http://www.eclipse.org" target="_blank">The Eclipse Foundation</a><br>Learn about <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects" target="_blank">Eclipse Projects</a><br><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/france2013" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=480 height=60 id="_x0000_i1028" src="" alt="EclipseCon France 2013"></span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>birt-pmc mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc">https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Wayne Beaton<br>Director of Open Source Projects, <a href="http://www.eclipse.org">The Eclipse Foundation</a><br>Learn about <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects">Eclipse Projects</a><br><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/france2013"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=480 height=60 id="_x0000_i1029" src="" alt="EclipseCon
 France 2013"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>birt-pmc mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc">https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Wayne Beaton<br>Director of Open Source Projects, <a href="http://www.eclipse.org">The Eclipse Foundation</a><br>Learn about <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects">Eclipse Projects</a><br><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/france2013"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=480 height=60 id="_x0000_i1030" src="" alt="EclipseCon
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		<title>Re: [birt-pmc] Separate bug tracker?</title>
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		<description>Thank you for the reply. Regarding the repo syncing &amp;#8211; it&amp;#8217;s now 10 days out-of-date. That&amp;#8217;s more than a week. And (unless you are doing something very strange with your git set-up), syncing, while manual, requires nothing more than running a single command:...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<table width="100%"><tr><td bgcolor="white" style="background-color: white; a:link { color: blue } a:visited { color: purple } "><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you for the reply.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regarding the repo syncing &#8211; it&#8217;s now 10 days out-of-date. That&#8217;s more than a week. And (unless you are doing something very strange with your git set-up), syncing, while manual, requires nothing more than running a single command: &#8220;git push&#8221;. I&#8217;m puzzled as to why that would be so difficult.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Clenahan<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 06, 2013 2:55 PM<br><b>To:</b> BIRT PMC communications (including coordination, announcements, andGroup discussions)<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [birt-pmc] Separate bug tracker?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wayne, Jesse,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In addition to the testing that happens in the community for open source BIRT, we also do a lot of testing of BIRT in the context of our commercial products. As we encounter issues in our commercial products we track these in our commercial bug tracking system. In some cases, we then narrow the bug down to an issue in the open source code base &#8211; in which case, two things happen:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We open a bug in Eclipse Bugzilla to ensure the issue is visible to the community.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We fix the bug in the open source code base.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For #2, the developer may sometimes reference the commercial bug number in the code (that is what the Txxxxxx numbers are). They should reference the Bugzilla number and we will remind them to do so.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wayne,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regarding the repository syncing, as Wenfeng indicated in one of the emails last week we plan to move back to direct checkins to the Eclipse git. However, we do not want to make that switch mid-stream for our Kepler development. In the interim, we are now syncing once a week. We realize that ideally it would be more frequently but this is currently a manual process.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Paul.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a> [<a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wayne Beaton<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 03, 2013 11:19 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [birt-pmc] Separate bug tracker?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I would very much like an answer to this question.<br><br>Also... the repository is now six days out of date. I understand that making changes takes time. While you are sorting out how, exactly, you're going to change the way BIRT does things, you're going to need to do something stopgap to keep the repository at least sort-of up-to-date.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Wayne<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 04/29/2013 03:13 PM, Wayne Beaton wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I noticed the &quot;Txxxx&quot; numbers some time ago. I swear that I posted a question about them on a bug, but I can't find it now.<br><br>What does the &quot;T56886&quot; in &quot;[BZ]TimeZone is not passed to ScriptContext(T56886)&quot; mean?<br><br>Wayne<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 04/29/2013 01:42 PM, Jesse Weinstein wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>&lt;snip&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Regarding the 2<sup>nd</sup> point, about public bug reports &#8211; here are some examples of commit messages that appear to refer to a private, non-Eclipse-hosted bug tracking system:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=956ee36d507d5ce4a32e5a35adf15fb6355301a8">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=956ee36d507d5ce4a32e5a35adf15fb6355301a8</a><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>[BZ]TimeZone is not passed to ScriptContext(T56886)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=56886">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=56886</a> is a Platform bug closed in 2006.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'>While the actual bugzilla entry is <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=399055">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=399055</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=b6947ee83cbe29242645b36670b211f697b4849a">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=b6947ee83cbe29242645b36670b211f697b4849a</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fix NPE is thrown out when insert chart into list #59066<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=59066">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=59066</a> is a JDT duplicate closed in 2004.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>There are many other instances visible in <a href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/log/">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/log/</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Wayne Beaton<br>Director of Open Source Projects, <a href="http://www.eclipse.org">The Eclipse Foundation</a><br>Learn about <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects">Eclipse Projects</a><br><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/france2013"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=480 height=60 id="_x0000_i1025" src="" alt="EclipseCon France 2013"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>birt-pmc mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc">https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Wayne Beaton<br>Director of Open Source Projects, <a href="http://www.eclipse.org">The Eclipse Foundation</a><br>Learn about <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects">Eclipse Projects</a><br><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/france2013"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=480 height=60 id="_x0000_i1026" src="" alt="EclipseCon
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 22:02:44 GMT</pubDate>
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		<title>Re: [birt-pmc] Separate bug tracker?</title>
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		<description>Wayne, Jesse, In addition to the testing that happens in the community for open source BIRT, we also do a lot of testing of BIRT in the context of our commercial products. As we encounter issues in our commercial products we track these in our commercial b...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<table width="100%"><tr><td bgcolor="white" style="background-color: white; a:link { color: blue } a:visited { color: purple } "><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wayne, Jesse,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In addition to the testing that happens in the community for open source BIRT, we also do a lot of testing of BIRT in the context of our commercial products. As we encounter issues in our commercial products we track these in our commercial bug tracking system. In some cases, we then narrow the bug down to an issue in the open source code base &#8211; in which case, two things happen:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We open a bug in Eclipse Bugzilla to ensure the issue is visible to the community.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We fix the bug in the open source code base.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For #2, the developer may sometimes reference the commercial bug number in the code (that is what the Txxxxxx numbers are). They should reference the Bugzilla number and we will remind them to do so.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wayne,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regarding the repository syncing, as Wenfeng indicated in one of the emails last week we plan to move back to direct checkins to the Eclipse git. However, we do not want to make that switch mid-stream for our Kepler development. In the interim, we are now syncing once a week. We realize that ideally it would be more frequently but this is currently a manual process.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Paul.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wayne Beaton<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 03, 2013 11:19 AM<br><b>To:</b> birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [birt-pmc] Separate bug tracker?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I would very much like an answer to this question.<br><br>Also... the repository is now six days out of date. I understand that making changes takes time. While you are sorting out how, exactly, you're going to change the way BIRT does things, you're going to need to do something stopgap to keep the repository at least sort-of up-to-date.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Wayne<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 04/29/2013 03:13 PM, Wayne Beaton wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I noticed the &quot;Txxxx&quot; numbers some time ago. I swear that I posted a question about them on a bug, but I can't find it now.<br><br>What does the &quot;T56886&quot; in &quot;[BZ]TimeZone is not passed to ScriptContext(T56886)&quot; mean?<br><br>Wayne<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 04/29/2013 01:42 PM, Jesse Weinstein wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>&lt;snip&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Regarding the 2<sup>nd</sup> point, about public bug reports &#8211; here are some examples of commit messages that appear to refer to a private, non-Eclipse-hosted bug tracking system:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=956ee36d507d5ce4a32e5a35adf15fb6355301a8">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=956ee36d507d5ce4a32e5a35adf15fb6355301a8</a><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>[BZ]TimeZone is not passed to ScriptContext(T56886)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=56886">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=56886</a> is a Platform bug closed in 2006.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'>While the actual bugzilla entry is <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=399055">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=399055</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=b6947ee83cbe29242645b36670b211f697b4849a">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=b6947ee83cbe29242645b36670b211f697b4849a</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fix NPE is thrown out when insert chart into list #59066<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=59066">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=59066</a> is a JDT duplicate closed in 2004.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>There are many other instances visible in <a href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/log/">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/log/</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Wayne Beaton<br>Director of Open Source Projects, <a href="http://www.eclipse.org">The Eclipse Foundation</a><br>Learn about <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects">Eclipse Projects</a><br><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/france2013"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=480 height=60 id="_x0000_i1025" src="" alt="EclipseCon France 2013"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>birt-pmc mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc">https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Wayne Beaton<br>Director of Open Source Projects, <a href="http://www.eclipse.org">The Eclipse Foundation</a><br>Learn about <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects">Eclipse Projects</a><br><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/france2013"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=480 height=60 id="_x0000_i1026" src="" alt="EclipseCon
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		<title>Re: [birt-pmc] Separate bug tracker?</title>
		<link>http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/birt-pmc/msg00478.html</link>
		<description> -- Wayne Beaton Director of Open Source Projects, The Eclipse Foundation Learn about Eclipse Projects _______________________________________________ birt-pmc mailing list birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc -- Wayne Bea...</description>
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    Hello?<br>
    <br>
    Wayne<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/03/2013 02:19 PM, Wayne Beaton
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="" type="cite">
      
      I would very much like an answer to this question.<br>
      <br>
      Also... the repository is now six days out of date. I understand
      that making changes takes time. While you are sorting out how,
      exactly, you're going to change the way BIRT does things, you're
      going to need to do something stopgap to keep the repository at
      least sort-of up-to-date.<br>
      <br>
      Thanks,<br>
      <br>
      Wayne<br>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/29/2013 03:13 PM, Wayne Beaton
        wrote:<br>
      </div>
      <blockquote cite="" type="cite">
        
        I noticed the "Txxxx" numbers some time ago. I swear that I
        posted a question about them on a bug, but I can't find it now.<br>
        <br>
        What does the "T56886" in "[BZ]TimeZone is not passed to
        ScriptContext(T56886)" mean?<br>
        <br>
        Wayne<br>
        <br>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/29/2013 01:42 PM, Jesse
          Weinstein wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote
cite=""
          type="cite">
          
          
          <!---->
          <!----><!---->
          <div class="WordSection1">&lt;snip&gt;<o:p></o:p>
            <div
              style="mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-bottom:solid
              windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in">
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Regarding the 2<sup>nd</sup> point,
              about public bug reports &#8211; here are some examples of
              commit messages that appear to refer to a private,
              non-Eclipse-hosted bug tracking system:<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=956ee36d507d5ce4a32e5a35adf15fb6355301a8">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=956ee36d507d5ce4a32e5a35adf15fb6355301a8</a><span
                style="color:#1F497D"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><span
                style="color:#1F497D">[BZ]TimeZone is not passed to
                ScriptContext(T56886)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=56886">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=56886</a>
              is a Platform bug closed in 2006.<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in">While the
              actual bugzilla entry is <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=399055">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=399055</a>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=b6947ee83cbe29242645b36670b211f697b4849a">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=b6947ee83cbe29242645b36670b211f697b4849a</a>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fix NPE is thrown out when
              insert chart into list #59066<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=59066">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=59066</a>
              is a JDT duplicate closed in 2004.<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">There are many other instances visible
              in <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/log/">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/log/</a>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p> </p>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <br>
        <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
          Wayne Beaton<br>
          Director of Open Source Projects, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://www.eclipse.org">The Eclipse Foundation</a><br>
          Learn about <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects">Eclipse Projects</a><br>
          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/france2013"><img
              src=""
              alt="EclipseCon France 2013" height="60" border="0"
              width="480"></a></div>
        <br>
        <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
        <br>
        <pre wrap="">_______________________________________________
birt-pmc mailing list
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc">https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc</a>
</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
        Wayne Beaton<br>
        Director of Open Source Projects, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://www.eclipse.org">The Eclipse Foundation</a><br>
        Learn about <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects">Eclipse Projects</a><br>
        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/france2013"><img
            src=""
            alt="EclipseCon France 2013" height="60" border="0"
            width="480"></a></div>
      <br>
      <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
      <br>
      <pre wrap="">_______________________________________________
birt-pmc mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc">https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc</a>
</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
      Wayne Beaton<br>
      Director of Open Source Projects, <a
        href="http://www.eclipse.org">The Eclipse Foundation</a><br>
      Learn about <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects">Eclipse
        Projects</a><br>
      <a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/france2013"><img
          src="" alt="EclipseCon
          France 2013" height="60" border="0" width="480"></a></div>
  

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		<title>Re: [birt-pmc] Separate bug tracker?</title>
		<link>http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/birt-pmc/msg00477.html</link>
		<description> -- Wayne Beaton Director of Open Source Projects, The Eclipse Foundation Learn about Eclipse Projects _______________________________________________ birt-pmc mailing list birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/birt-pmc -- Wayne Bea...</description>
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    I would very much like an answer to this question.<br>
    <br>
    Also... the repository is now six days out of date. I understand
    that making changes takes time. While you are sorting out how,
    exactly, you're going to change the way BIRT does things, you're
    going to need to do something stopgap to keep the repository at
    least sort-of up-to-date.<br>
    <br>
    Thanks,<br>
    <br>
    Wayne<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/29/2013 03:13 PM, Wayne Beaton
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="" type="cite">
      
      I noticed the "Txxxx" numbers some time ago. I swear that I posted
      a question about them on a bug, but I can't find it now.<br>
      <br>
      What does the "T56886" in "[BZ]TimeZone is not passed to
      ScriptContext(T56886)" mean?<br>
      <br>
      Wayne<br>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/29/2013 01:42 PM, Jesse
        Weinstein wrote:<br>
      </div>
      <blockquote
cite=""
        type="cite">
        
        
        <!---->
        <!----><!---->
        <div class="WordSection1">&lt;snip&gt;<o:p></o:p>
          <div
            style="mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-bottom:solid
            windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in">
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
          </div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Regarding the 2<sup>nd</sup> point, about
            public bug reports &#8211; here are some examples of commit
            messages that appear to refer to a private,
            non-Eclipse-hosted bug tracking system:<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=956ee36d507d5ce4a32e5a35adf15fb6355301a8">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=956ee36d507d5ce4a32e5a35adf15fb6355301a8</a><span
              style="color:#1F497D"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><span
              style="color:#1F497D">[BZ]TimeZone is not passed to
              ScriptContext(T56886)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=56886">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=56886</a>
            is a Platform bug closed in 2006.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in">While the actual
            bugzilla entry is <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=399055">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=399055</a>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=b6947ee83cbe29242645b36670b211f697b4849a">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=b6947ee83cbe29242645b36670b211f697b4849a</a>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fix NPE is thrown out when
            insert chart into list #59066<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            is a JDT duplicate closed in 2004.<o:p></o:p></p>
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		<title>[birt-pmc] Committer vote for Michael has been approved by the PMC</title>
		<link>http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/birt-pmc/msg00476.html</link>
		<description>birt PMC Members, This automatically generated message marks the PMC's approval of the vote for Michael's full Committer status on the birt project. The next step is for the project lead to return to the portal and fill in the VCS package and employer info...</description>
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This automatically generated message marks the PMC's approval of the vote
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for the project lead to return to the portal and fill in the VCS package
and employer information for Michael.

The PMC's comments were: Michael will be a great asset to the BIRT
Committer community.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact your project
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		<title>[birt-pmc] PMC approval needed for committer vote for Michael</title>
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		<description>birt PMC Members, This automatically generated message marks the completion of voting for Michael's Committer status on the birt project. As a PMC member, you can approve or disapprove this vote through your My Foundation portal page: http://portal.eclipse...</description>
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This automatically generated message marks the completion of voting for
Michael's Committer status on the birt project. As a PMC member, you can
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Michael was nominated by Paul Clenahan as follows:
Michael has been an active contributor to the BIRT community for several
years now. His most visible contribution has been as a BIRT expert on the
Newsgroup where he has around 650 posts responding to questions on using
BIRT. He has also been active in developing other content about using BIRT.

As a Committer, Michael will actively create new content and update
existing content on the BIRT pages within Eclipse.org.

 


Vote summary: 8/0/0 with 32 not voting 
   ?  Roshanak Afsarifard
  +1  Linda Chan
   ?  Chen Chao
   ?  Liwen Chen
   ?  Yu Chen
   ?  Jerry Cheng
  +1  Paul Clenahan
   ?  Mark Coggins
   ?  Yasuo Doshiro
   ?  Mohamed El-Kholy
   ?  Dazheng Gao
  +1  Xiaoying Gu
   ?  Nola Hague
   ?  Wenbin He
  +1  Rima Kanguri
   ?  Renuka Kanna
   ?  Lina Kemmel
   ?  Heng Li
   ?  Jianchao Li
   ?  Wenfeng Li
   ?  Xiang Li
   ?  Xuelan Li
   ?  Zhongbo Li
  +1  Gang Liu
   ?  Rick Lu
   ?  Jun Ouyang
   ?  Zhiqiang Qian
   ?  Scott Rosenbaum
   ?  Jane Tatchell
  +1  Krishna Venkatraman
   ?  Qiangsheng Wang
   ?  Yulin Wang
   ?  Jason Weathersby
   ?  Mingxia Wu
   ?  Gary Xue
  +1  Wei Yan
   ?  Jun Zhai
   ?  Jian Zhou
  +1  Lin Zhu
   ?  Sissi Zhu



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		<title>Re: [birt-pmc] Separate bug tracker?</title>
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		<description>It is important to get an answer to Wayne&amp;#8217;s question:  What does the &amp;quot;T56886&amp;quot; in &amp;quot;[BZ]TimeZone is not passed to ScriptContext(T56886)&amp;quot; mean?Having transparency in the bug tracker is as important as having transparency in the code repository. I also note th...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<table width="100%"><tr><td bgcolor="white" style="background-color: white; a:link { color: blue } a:visited { color: purple } "><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It is important to get an answer to Wayne&#8217;s question: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>What does the &quot;T56886&quot; in &quot;[BZ]TimeZone is not passed to ScriptContext(T56886)&quot; mean?<br><br><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Having transparency in the bug tracker is as important as having transparency in the code repository.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I also note that the git repo hasn&#8217;t been updated since Saturday. There haven&#8217;t been many bugs modified in that time (the only one I found was <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=402798">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=402798</a> ) but if there have been changes, please do run a `git push` so the rest of the world can see them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jesse Weinstein<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 29, 2013 12:38 PM<br><b>To:</b> BIRT PMC communications (including coordination, announcements,and Group discussions)<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [birt-pmc] Separate bug tracker?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Here are some more problematic commit messages from back in 2008.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=32828bb5c998ca7fc6f158e316863458f4daecec">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=32828bb5c998ca7fc6f158e316863458f4daecec</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fix bug 100623: High increase in generation time of rpt500 PDF format in A10M5(Linux).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=100623">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=100623</a> -&gt; Platform/Team bug.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=40b14b296ff2ce6c5e67f0248dd2d42b838e6b10">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=40b14b296ff2ce6c5e67f0248dd2d42b838e6b10</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Refactoring code for project903(TED7495)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=a6a394248632d59d5854aa38644bd02934a0953a">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=a6a394248632d59d5854aa38644bd02934a0953a</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PDF layout refactor (T8037)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=8037">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=8037</a> -&gt; Platform/SWT bug.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a> [<a href="mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx">mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wayne Beaton<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 29, 2013 12:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx">birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [birt-pmc] Separate bug tracker?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I noticed the &quot;Txxxx&quot; numbers some time ago. I swear that I posted a question about them on a bug, but I can't find it now.<br><br>What does the &quot;T56886&quot; in &quot;[BZ]TimeZone is not passed to ScriptContext(T56886)&quot; mean?<br><br>Wayne<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 04/29/2013 01:42 PM, Jesse Weinstein wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>&lt;snip&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Regarding the 2<sup>nd</sup> point, about public bug reports &#8211; here are some examples of commit messages that appear to refer to a private, non-Eclipse-hosted bug tracking system:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=956ee36d507d5ce4a32e5a35adf15fb6355301a8">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=956ee36d507d5ce4a32e5a35adf15fb6355301a8</a><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>[BZ]TimeZone is not passed to ScriptContext(T56886)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=56886">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=56886</a> is a Platform bug closed in 2006.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'>While the actual bugzilla entry is <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=399055">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=399055</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=b6947ee83cbe29242645b36670b211f697b4849a">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/commit/?id=b6947ee83cbe29242645b36670b211f697b4849a</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fix NPE is thrown out when insert chart into list #59066<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=59066">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=59066</a> is a JDT duplicate closed in 2004.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>There are many other instances visible in <a href="https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/log/">https://git.eclipse.org/c/birt/org.eclipse.birt.git/log/</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Wayne Beaton<br>Director of Open Source Projects, <a href="http://www.eclipse.org">The Eclipse Foundation</a><br>Learn about <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects">Eclipse Projects</a><br><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/france2013"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=480 height=60 id="_x0000_i1025" src="" alt="EclipseCon
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