ATF Developers, Webtools PMC,|
I was disappointed to read this statement (below) in the atf-dev
mailing list. A project is not open and transparent unless it is open
and transparent all the time. My experience is that people (and
groups of people; even me) always revert to base behavior under stress.
In other words, if you can't stay open and transparent during a "heads
down" cycle, then you aren't really committed to being open and
Related to that, I browsed around your mailing list archives, newsgroup
archives, and project website:
The project is just not being very open and transparent. The WTP PMC
needs to crack down on the ATF project and either get them to be an
open and transparent and Eclipse-like project or to reboot the project
with a different team that will be. This could be a really cool project
for Eclipse and the Eclipse community. But not as a closed-shop project
with an open source repository. It's not good for Eclipse and it's not
good for Webtools and it's not good for the ATF project itself.
- Your 2.1 downloads do not have the word "incubation" in them.
Your project is no longer "incubation-conforming".
- You are not using the standard Eclipse version numbering as 0.2.1
is not (in Eclipse naming) a milestone of 0.2. It should be something
more like 0.2.1M4.
- I couldn't find a project plan. I found this roadmap but it's
out of date. Plus it has no dates.
- Are you all doing Eclipse-standard six week milestones aiming for
a 1.0 release? You should be, but I don't see any documentation of it
- I see
that code is being written, but I don't see much/any discussion of
design, architecture, use cases, unit tests, or development in the dev
- I looked at the ATF
wiki. All but one of the pages haven't been touched for more than
On Behalf Of Robert Goodman
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:13 PM
To: AJAX Toolkit Framework discussion
Subject: Re: [atf-dev] Open Mettings and getting the Source
have an open meeting. At this time the team is heads down trying to get
something out the door real soon and before I go on vacation. We are
having impromptu meetings until we get over the hump. I will send you a
once we get the meetings started again. We are obviously interested in
who would like to contribute to the project.
We are interested in the ATF Project and we would like to know
the the project has Open Mettings. How we can participate from