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Re: [atf-dev] JavaScript Editor/Development Tool Proposal


Yes, that is one of the reasons that we put out _javascript_ proposal.

   Thanks
      Bob


Robert Goodman
goodmanr@xxxxxxxxxx


atf-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 11/12/2006 09:26:39 PM:

> Can others contribute "guidelines" about behaviors they feel a good
> _javascript_ editor might follow?

> On 11/12/06, Robert Goodman < goodmanr@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> The ATF team has had discussion with both the Aptana and JSEclipse teams.
>
> JSEclipse.
>
> We have had one conversion and traded e-mail with the a member of
> the team that wrote JSEclipse. We are at the stage where JSEclipse
> has to decided to contribute their code to eclipse.  The ATF team
> has been told not to download or look at JSEclipse. Since we are
> going to do something similar, we don't want to get into
> contamination issues with doing our own _javascript_ editor, If or
> when they decide to contribute the code to eclipse, we can then do
> an assessment of the code.
>
> Aptana
>
> The ATF team had some initial discussion with the Aptana team about
> working with the Eclipse ATF project. At the time they didn't want
> to get involved with the Eclipse Open Source process. The ATF team
> is again not allowed to download or look at Aptana, since we are
> doing something similar. Aptana would have to contribute their code
> before the team would be able to look at it.
>
> If either JSEclipse or Aptana does contribute their code, then the
> ATF team can do an assessment (functionality, effort, time to
> market, etc) to decide whether to use either editor or continue with
> our proposed plan.
>
> Just a little more on the issue on the ATF team being contaminated
> by looking at JSEclipse or Aptana. Along with being able to put it
> our own editor on eclipse, the companies who integrate ATF into
> their products, also have to feel the code is free of legal issues.
>
>     Thanks
>       Bob
>
> Robert Goodman
>
>
> atf-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 11/09/2006 07:05:35 AM:

>
>
> > Thanks for your answers.
> >
> > I do think that investigating if parts of their code can be reused
> > (even if it's a fork) is better than just rewriting everything from
> > scratch (well, from JDT).
> >
> > My gut feeling is that their code should be easier to refactor into
> > what you need than a -Java- editor. Of course I haven't actually
> > looked into it yet, so I shouldn't talk about it.
> >
> > Nickolay
> >
> > On 11/9/06, Philippe Ombredanne <pombredanne@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Nickolay:
> > > I think that would be great if Aptana could consider donating code and
> > > joining the project, yet afaik that is NOT their intent.
> > > The reason why I say that is from a report by Bjorn FB, on Thursday,
> > > August 24, 2006, in his blog:
> > > http://eclipse-projects.blogspot.com/2006_08_01_eclipse-projects_archive
> > > .html
> > > where he says after a chat with Aptana:
> > > "And they're big on open-source: they are going to EPL the entire IDE
> > > (although I couldn't convince them to make it an Eclipse project)."
> > >
> > > And Eclipse is not in forking business I think ;-)
> > >
> > > Also, I can see cool stuffs in Aptana, but they are clearly developing
> > > something that reinvent the wheels in many ways and strays away from the
> > > Eclipse workbench and project model to rather be their own standalone
> > > ide (not that it is a bad thing per se, but it makes integration and
> > > reuse elsewhere difficult).
> > >
> > > Now if you could convince them to join, and contribute that would be
> > > great.
> > >
> > > Similar to Aptana is Interakt's JSEclipse, which is free for
> > > non-commercial use (not open source though) , and has been acquired by
> > > Adobe.
> > > If we could convince them to join and contribute that would be cool too.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cheers
> > > Philippe
> > >
> > > philippe ombredanne | 1 650 799 0949 | pombredanne at nexb.com
> > > nexB - Open by Design (tm) - http://www.nexb.com
> > > http://easyeclipse.org  -  irc://irc.freenode.net/easyeclipse
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: atf-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:atf-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Nickolay Ponomarev
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:48 PM
> > > > To: AJAX Toolkit Framework discussion
> > > > Subject: Re: [atf-dev] _javascript_ Editor/Development Tool Proposal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 11/9/06, Robert Goodman <goodmanr@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In our next milestone of ATF we are planning to write a new
> > > > _javascript_
> > > > > Editor/Development Tool. The ATF team feels that a good
> > > > _javascript_ editor
> > > > > with a real _javascript_ model is needed to provide our next
> > > > set of tooling.
> > > >
> > > > Have you seen aptana? (aptana.com)
> > > >
> > > > They're working on what seems to be a pretty good eclipse-based web
> > > > IDE. It includes a nice JS editor and is licensed under EPL.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't looked at their code yet, but perhaps it makes sense to
> > > > investigate if it's possible to reuse some of their code instead of
> > > > starting from scratch. If not, you can at least look at what they
> > > > already do for inspiration :)
> > > >
> > > > Nickolay
> > > >
> > > > > We have posted a detail proposal on the ATF Web Wiki -
> > > > > http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/ATF/JSDT. We posted the
> > > > > proposal to solicit community feedback, additional project
> > > > participation,
> > > > > and ways the project can be leveraged from the Eclipse
> > > > membership-at-large.
> > > > > You are invited to comment on and/or join the project.
> > > > Please send all
> > > > > feedback to the news://eclipse.webtools.atf/ newsgroup.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  Robert Goodman
> > > > >  goodmanr@xxxxxxxxxx
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