Re: [aspectj-users] CNET News.com Article on AOP

["Adrian Colyer" <adrian_colyer@xxxxxxxxxx>]

You go away for a couple of days...
;).

The following article was published
yesterday in response:

http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3083641

"IBM officials Thursday discounted
a report the company was in discussions with JBoss Group to develop J2EE
specifications around aspect-oriented programming (AOP) to counter Microsoft's
.NET framework popularity..."

"We (IBM) are in fact investing
in aspect-oriented programming because we think it's good for Java and
more importantly, good for our customers."

-- Adrian
Adrian_Colyer@xxxxxxxxxx

"Ron Bodkin" <rbodkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: aspectj-users-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx 25/09/2003 18:43 Please respond to aspectj-users

To:        aspectj-users@xxxxxxxxxxx         cc:                 Subject:        Re: [aspectj-users] CNET News.com Article on AOP

> Is this, the main claim of the article, true?
> 
>    IBM and JBoss Group have teamed on a software 
>    development technique they hope to add to Java
>    ...
> 
> I saw no IBM sources in this article. Ron, do you know
> of any official joint effort by IBM and JBoss Group?
As far as I can tell, the source is solely JBoss. I saw another article
in which they made a similar claim (http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/ebusiness/story/0,2000048590,20278900,00.htm).

> Also, does anyone know if Forrester analyst John Meyer
> was talking about AOP when they appended it to 
> his quote? 
> 
>   "It's going to be several years before the tool 
>   industry can adopt the extensions that are approved 
>   and ratified in the Java (standardization) space 
>   (and) before people will be ready to adopt"
>   aspect-oriented programming.
I believe the reporter called John Meyer and interviewed him for the story,
but that is my best guess. He clearly believes that tools integration is
key for adoption of AOP.            
    
 
...

> Also, I didn't realize that BEA itself did this:
> 
>   BEA last month introduced the WebLogic Aspect Framework[, designed
to let Java programmers experiment with AOP ]
> 
> I thought Sam Pullara (who happens to be a BEA employee)
> posted it to a weblogic dev list.   Does that mean BEA 
> introduced it?  That makes it sound like a marketed and
> supported feature of WebLogic.
It is distributed by BEA on their dev2dev site: http://dev2dev.bea.com/resourcelibrary/utilitiestools/monitoring.jsp
I believe this is a site for various utilities and tools BEA distributes
for developers. The readme does state that it is not supported. I also
believe that others at BEA are involved in marketing/tracking interest,
but hopefully Sam or Cedric can shed more light.

...


> P.S. - Can we think of a better way to characterize
> AspectJ than "experimental"?  I'd think that a few
> years of research, patents, and a thriving community
> including many deployments in commercial contexts is
> something more than that.  
I wouldn't (and didn't) characterize it that way myself. This is the assessment
of Martin LaMonica, and no one else. It's unfortunate that the phrasing
implies I said this.
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