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RE: [alf-dev]ALFSourceCodeMangementVocabularyMeeting+no meeting thiis week

We had a brief chat last week 

Attendees were

Tim Buss
Brian Carrol
Adam Simantel
Summer Ficarrotta

We discussed the ALF Milestone 8 progress.
	SSO components were included in the last weeks turnover
	The main Axis2 issue concering rpc-literal support appears to be
resolved in Axis1 1.2 RC2
	Unfortunately Rampart, the Axis2 security component is not yet
available fir Axis2 1.2
	Consequelty this weeks turnover will require axis2 1.2 RC2 for
the Event Manager and Axi2 1.1.1 for the security components.
	Since we now have the major componets of M8 in place, I intent
to post this weeks turnover for general review and feedback.
	

We will touch base next week.

Tim 
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Buss
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:05 AM
To: 'ALF Developer Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [alf-dev]ALFSourceCodeMangementVocabularyMeeting - no
meeting today

Sorry fo the short notice

We had a brief chat last week 

Attendees were

Tim Buss
Brian Carrol
Adam Simantel

We discussed the ALF Milestone 8 progress.
	SSO components are commited
	We have a useable version of the Higgins STS but it is still
being refactored 
	Axis2 issues are holding things up. It is not as mature as axis
1.X yet despite its architectural improvements.
	On the other had axis team have been quite responsive fixing
important bugs
	

We will touch base next week.

T
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Buss
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 6:16 PM
To: 'ALF Developer Mailing List'
Subject: RE:
[alf-dev]ALFSourceCodeMangementVocabularyMeeting+1-800-547-4000 id
826544#Wednesday10:00AMPDT

It's been a while so I thought we should have a call to catch up.  The
most recent comprehensive minutes are below to remind you what we talked
about last.

Regards,
Tim Buss, Serena Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Buss
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:34 PM
To: 'ALF Developer Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [alf-dev]ALFSourceCodeMangementVocabularyMeeting+no meeting
this week

No call this week.  We will have one next week just to catch up.  I had
thought I'd have one this week but I left it a bit late and you are
probably all out of the habit so next week is probably better.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Buss
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 12:37 AM
To: 'ALF Developer Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [alf-dev]ALFSourceCodeMangementVocabularyMeeting+no meeting
this week

I am still working on getting the M8 build available so no meeting this
week.

tim


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Buss
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:23 PM
To: 'ALF Developer Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [alf-dev]ALFSourceCodeMangementVocabularyMeeting+no meeting
this week or next

Well EclipsCon came and went and I'm still busy with other ALF stuff -
trying to get Axis2 to bend to my will - so I don't think there is any
reason to have a call tomorrow. 

A few points of interested

1.  There is now an ActiveBPEL 3.0.3 that fixes a problem when
ws-addressing is being used 

2. Axis2 claim to have fixed the rpc-literal but - at least they closed
the issue - but we are still trying to confirm they have indeed fixed
the problem.  Early indications are that the fix introduced another bug
but I still have to confirm that.  If the bug is not yet fixed we plan
to use document-literal style in the interim.

3. We hope to have the first build of Milestone 8 next week.  This build
will use axis2 and include the SSO components.  Hopefully this will
provide a subject we can discuss in next weeks meeting.

4.  I will upload T8 of Milestone 7 shortly.  This addresses some issues
with the callback scenario - BPEL correlation etc. and improves the
ALFEventEmitter tool to make it more robust and flexible.

Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Buss
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:16 AM
To: 'ALF Developer Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [alf-dev]ALFSourceCodeMangementVocabularyMeeting+no meeting
this week or next

Nothing to new report to this week and I'm busy with other ALF stuff so
no meeting tomorrow. With EclipseCon next week probably there is not
much point next week either.

A few points of interest.

1. I have confirmed that RPC-Literal works as expected through the Axis
1.X based ALF Event Manager calling ActiveBPEL 3.0.2

2. I found a bug in ActiveBPEL 2.1.1 that inconveniences the use of
RPC-literal.  It requires the first two characters of the operation name
to be upper case.  I reported this and there is now a fix in 3.0.2. 

3. I found a bug in Axis2 1.1.1 that makes its rpc-literal
implementation non WS-I compliant and thus not interoperable.  I
reported this and it was acknowledged. No word on a fix yet.  Could be
it only affect the adb generation but I only tried that.

Work on finishing ALF M7 and starting M8 (axis2 and SSO) continues.  

Tim Buss, Serena

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Buss
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 1:30 AM
To: 'ALF Developer Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [alf-dev]ALFSourceCodeMangementVocabularyMeeting+no meeting
this week or next

 
There will be no meeting this week or next since this week I am busy
with other aspects of the ALF project and I will be on vacation the
first half of next week.

Tim Buss, Serena Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Buss
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:09 PM
To: 'ALF Developer Mailing List'
Subject: RE:
[alf-dev]ALFSourceCodeMangementVocabularyMeeting+1-800-547-4000 id
826544#Wednesday10:00AMPST

There will be a ALF Source Code Management Vocabulary Meeting this week,
Wednesday Feb 06th at 10:00AM PST

Please note the new number(s)

1-800-547-4000 id  826544  us toll free or

1-650-522-6663 id  826544  toll (call for international access)


Agenda
1. Status on tasks (see list in minutes below)

2. Follow up on Event Declaration Schema changes

3. Any other business 

Tim Buss, Serena Inc.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Buss
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:13 PM
To: 'ALF Developer Mailing List'
Subject: RE:
[alf-dev]ALFSourceCodeMangementVocabularyMeeting+1-800-547-4000 id
826544#Wednesday10:00AMPST - no meeting this week

I don't have anything particular to discuss this week.  We will
re-convene next week.  Sorry for the late notice.  If there is something
pressing please send email to this mailing list.

One point I would like to draw your attention to is that a download of
the ALF runtime - Milestone 1.0M7 turnover 6 is now available.  

http://www.eclipse.org/alf/downloads.php

This includes the latest ALF schema and the RPC-Literal WSDL.

Please download it and submit any bugs you find.  

I have not yet updated the proposed SCM or Build vocabularies to reflect
this new WSDL but will try to get to it this week.

Thanks,
Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Buss
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:11 PM
To: 'ALF Developer Mailing List'
Subject: RE:
[alf-dev]ALFSourceCodeMangementVocabularyMeeting+1-800-547-4000 id
826544#Wednesday10:00AMPST

There will be a ALF Source Code Management Vocabulary Meeting this week,
Wednesday Jan 24th at 10:00AM PST

Please note the new number(s)

1-800-547-4000 id  826544  us toll free or

1-650-522-6663 id  826544  toll (call for international access)


Agenda
0. Last meeting's minutes (see below)

1. Status on tasks (see list in minutes below)

2. Follow up on Event Declaration Schema changes

3. Any other business 

Tim Buss, Serena Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Buss
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:44 PM
To: 'ALF Developer Mailing List'
Subject: RE:
[alf-dev]ALFSourceCodeMangementVocabularyMeeting+1-800-547-4000 id
826544#Wednesday10:00AMPST - meeting minutes

Meeting minutes for  ALF Source Code Management Vocabulary Meeting,
Wednesday Jan 10th at 10:00AM PDT  

Attendees
Tim Buss
Brian Carrol
Adam Simantel
Richard Title

Agenda
0. Last meeting's minutes (see below)
1. Status on tasks (see list in minutes below) 2. Event Declaration
Schema changes 3. Any other business

0. Last meeting's minutes.
	Minutes accepted


1. Status on tasks

Done
T25 Reflect Operation refinements in Schema and WSDL Assigned to Tim.
	Tim B updated and published the SCM Schema and WSDL so that it
is valid and can be used to generate an axis service using eclipse WTP
1.52.    

T29.  Define return values and faults
	merged with T24

T31 POC Use case Review
	Adam Richard and others have reviewed this.

T32.	Investigate the use of xs:datetime for timestamps.  WS-I
recommends against this for interoperability
	Brian C investigated and concluded that the difficulty is that a
difficulty is that ISO 8601 used by schema can include timezone
information.  We agreed that we needed a standard in any case so it
mightas well be xs:datetime.


TODO
T19 Wiki pictures.  There are some placeholders for pictures in the
Wiki.
	Tim Buss committed to do this

T24 Refine and Normalize Operations so they work as a coherent set and
define return values and faults.
	Dependant on POC

T27. ALF SCM vocabulary Eclipse WTP "stub" project.
	This is now possible as part of T25.  It was agreed that it
might be useful to commit a project thus generated. 
	Tim B will consider comitting it to eclipse as a sample

T28.  Define and prototype "callback mechanism"
	BPEL Correlation has been suggested as the mechanism.  Tim Buss
to work on a prototype to illustrate this.

T33.  Implement SCM POC
	Looking for resources/management approval

T34.  Common Types
	Look for comon type we can extract to a common defintion.  Brian
comitted to taking a look at these

2. Event Declaration Schema changes
The information presented was sent elsewhere in the mailing list but the
basic issue is that Document Literal does not allow overloading so we
cannot use derived types to declare event restrictions and extensions.
It appears the RPC literal would allow this.  It is proposed to change
the ALFEventManager to expose is service using RPC literal and for
Service Flows to use RPC literal for their service declaration.  Tools
would then use these rpc literal defintions as a base to derive their
event restrictions and extensions as proposed.   However it is still the
ALF recommended practice for Tools to use Document Literal or Document
Literal Wrapped for declaring their services for ALF.
There is some concern that this is confusing.  There is still some
investigation to complete to ensure that RPC literal will solve the
problem.

3. Any Other Business
Not other business was discussed

Tim Buss, Serena Inc.


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