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	<description>Musings on the Eclipse Foundation, the community and the ecosystem</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Time to Git Some Progress by Preston L.</title>
		<link>http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/2009/07/16/time-to-git-some-progress/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Git on Windows is a bit of a second-class citizen. This might change ... or not, given the Git developers are heavily centered around Linux.

Is this a problem? Is it acceptable for development on Eclipse to use a primary tool that is not as portable as the Eclipse IDE? Are Eclipse contributors that use Windows as their primary development environment less important?

The above was enough to shift my primary interest in DVCS to Mercurial. I work on both Windows and Linux, and most of the developers I work with use Windows as their primary development environment. I am not about to push tool that does not work as well on Windows (ports based on Cygnus have a tendency to expose Unix-isms that are not useful to Windows folk). 

Added to this is an interesting future possibility: Mercurial running on Jython - if working - would allow building an integrated Mercurial client, running within same JVM as Eclipse, and using the *exact* same code as the standard command-line client. Not something that works today, but a possible future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Git on Windows is a bit of a second-class citizen. This might change &#8230; or not, given the Git developers are heavily centered around Linux.</p>
<p>Is this a problem? Is it acceptable for development on Eclipse to use a primary tool that is not as portable as the Eclipse IDE? Are Eclipse contributors that use Windows as their primary development environment less important?</p>
<p>The above was enough to shift my primary interest in DVCS to Mercurial. I work on both Windows and Linux, and most of the developers I work with use Windows as their primary development environment. I am not about to push tool that does not work as well on Windows (ports based on Cygnus have a tendency to expose Unix-isms that are not useful to Windows folk). </p>
<p>Added to this is an interesting future possibility: Mercurial running on Jython - if working - would allow building an integrated Mercurial client, running within same JVM as Eclipse, and using the *exact* same code as the standard command-line client. Not something that works today, but a possible future.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Differentiating Communities by Gabor</title>
		<link>http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/2009/09/24/differentiating-communities/#comment-228</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"First, our interests in creating a commercially profitable ecosystem are more overt....We work every day to attract companies to use technologies from the Eclipse projects."

I would be very interested to read details. Could you elaborate on that? What are the action you and the rest of the staff are doing for this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;First, our interests in creating a commercially profitable ecosystem are more overt&#8230;.We work every day to attract companies to use technologies from the Eclipse projects.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would be very interested to read details. Could you elaborate on that? What are the action you and the rest of the staff are doing for this?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kudos by Scott Lewis</title>
		<link>http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/2009/10/01/kudos/#comment-227</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for posting Mike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting Mike.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kudos by Chris Aniszczyk</title>
		<link>http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/2009/10/01/kudos/#comment-226</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Aniszczyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice, Scott's an awesome guy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice, Scott&#8217;s an awesome guy!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Differentiating Communities by Scott Lewis</title>
		<link>http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/2009/09/24/differentiating-communities/#comment-225</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike - Indeed 'gross generalizations' does fit :).  But seriously...as I'm sure you are conscious of...organizational culture and values are subtle yet powerful things, and I think it is gross to say that 'we' (as in the entire EF community) all value 'code before community'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike - Indeed &#8216;gross generalizations&#8217; does fit :).  But seriously&#8230;as I&#8217;m sure you are conscious of&#8230;organizational culture and values are subtle yet powerful things, and I think it is gross to say that &#8216;we&#8217; (as in the entire EF community) all value &#8216;code before community&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Differentiating Communities by Denis Roy</title>
		<link>http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/2009/09/24/differentiating-communities/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vive *la* différence  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vive *la* différence  <img src='http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Differentiating Communities by Mike Milinkovich</title>
		<link>http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/2009/09/24/differentiating-communities/#comment-223</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Milinkovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Scott - Like I said, these are "gross generalizations". :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Scott - Like I said, these are &#8220;gross generalizations&#8221;. <img src='http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Differentiating Communities by Scott Lewis</title>
		<link>http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/2009/09/24/differentiating-communities/#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, you say:  Thirdly, as a matter of culture Apache uses “community before code” as its mantra. We don’t run around saying this but the reality is that at Eclipse we value “code before community”.

I think it's a mistake to position an org as either valuing community before code (Apache), or code before community (Eclipse).  I think most people who've engaged in it would accept that the reality of open source development is that 'good' community and 'good' code go together...each enabling and making possible the other.   To me, this implies that at the extremes (community with no code or code with no real community) lies organizational unsustainability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, you say:  Thirdly, as a matter of culture Apache uses “community before code” as its mantra. We don’t run around saying this but the reality is that at Eclipse we value “code before community”.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a mistake to position an org as either valuing community before code (Apache), or code before community (Eclipse).  I think most people who&#8217;ve engaged in it would accept that the reality of open source development is that &#8216;good&#8217; community and &#8216;good&#8217; code go together&#8230;each enabling and making possible the other.   To me, this implies that at the extremes (community with no code or code with no real community) lies organizational unsustainability.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time to Git Some Progress by Matthias</title>
		<link>http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/2009/07/16/time-to-git-some-progress/#comment-221</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem on SPARC (Solaris 10) was caused by a problem in the Sun JVM implementation which is fixed with the latest version, see http://code.google.com/p/egit/issues/detail?id=95</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem on SPARC (Solaris 10) was caused by a problem in the Sun JVM implementation which is fixed with the latest version, see <a href="http://code.google.com/p/egit/issues/detail?id=95" rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/p/egit/issues/detail?id=95</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome to the EPL by Mike Milinkovich</title>
		<link>http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/2009/08/06/welcome-to-the-epl/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Milinkovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave - Thanks for the pointer. I knew that, apologies for the omission!

I also just noticed that Mondrian and olap4j relicensed under the EPL, which is very cool as well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave - Thanks for the pointer. I knew that, apologies for the omission!</p>
<p>I also just noticed that Mondrian and olap4j relicensed under the EPL, which is very cool as well!</p>
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